Duckroll Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I agree and in fact I would take it a notch further and say that we should get rewards for dying. Make it so that the easier you die, the better the rewards. This will encourage us to fail better so that we can improve and become masters of failure! Rewards should also scale with time wasted and humiliation. If someone sees you die, you should get extra points. Failure is not an option -- it's a lifestyle! If you die then you actually wake up a few hours later I think, so maybe you should get rested XP? Unless you are dark side of course, since there is no rest for the wicked. We could also have slow motion replays of the death shown, and an announcer who will commend you with stuff like "Double death", "Multideath!" and "M-m-m-mega death!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenjohnp Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Your fault. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH MY MACHINE(S) This is a problem with SWTOR. It has been documented in many threads and responded to by the developers here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1501998#edit1501998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 bsod's are 9/10 not related to the game but your own hardware or software either lack of drivers, conflicting drivers, or hardware going bad or faulty hardware was bad when purchased(it happens). I'd advise you to LOOK at your own rig first, get new drivers, insure your removing all old drivers, and if needed upgrade/replace any bad hardware might be going. Are so many reasons this could be happening but it is probably isolated to you specifically. 1. I have more than a dozen machines here. Three of which I play SWTOR on at any given time. None of them go BSOD except when playing SWTOR. 2. This issue is well documented here on the forums per the link I provided in my OP. 3. I don't presume that the problem exists on every single machine SWTOR is played on. 4. Just because this issue isn't presenting itself on your machine or many others does NOT mean that it doesn't exist. It exists. 5. This is a problem with the product itself. Penalties at the higher levels, with purple gear become exorbitant when this happens several times per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolsaber Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Let me get this straight so because YOU have problems with BSOD the gear repair should be abolished for a Million plus people until the microscopic amount of people with this problem have it resolved. ...Freakin get ahold of yourself, back to the rubber room with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtrick Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) 1. I have more than a dozen machines here. Three of which I play SWTOR on at any given time. None of them go BSOD except when playing SWTOR. 2. This issue is well documented here on the forums per the link I provided in my OP. 3. I don't presume that the problem exists on every single machine SWTOR is played on. 4. Just because this issue isn't presenting itself on your machine or many others does NOT mean that it doesn't exist. It exists. 5. This is a problem with the product itself. Penalties at the higher levels, with purple gear become exorbitant when this happens several times per day. None of what you said negates the post you responded to. Just because a problem is happening to many people and Bioware has asked for details doesn't mean the game is making your machine bluescreen. In fact, in the absence of other issues (either in Windows or in your hardware or drivers), it technically wouldn't be able to. Nobody is trying to deny that your machine crashes, just that it really can't be a problem with the game alone. Application crashes don't bluescreen machines unless there's also a separate problem somewhere else. The most common causes in those cases are driver bugs and hardware failures. Edited January 15, 2012 by imtrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Let me get this straight so because YOU have problems with BSOD the gear repair should be abolished for a Million plus people until the microscopic amount of people with this problem have it resolved. ...Freakin get ahold of yourself, back to the rubber room with you. 1. I have more than a dozen machines here. Three of which I play SWTOR on at any given time. None of them go BSOD except when playing SWTOR. 2. This issue is well documented here on the forums per the link I provided in my OP. 3. I don't presume that the problem exists on every single machine SWTOR is played on. 4. Just because this issue isn't presenting itself on your machine or many others does NOT mean that it doesn't exist. It exists. 5. This is a problem with the product itself. Penalties at the higher levels, with purple gear become exorbitant when this happens several times per day. So let ME get this straight. Just because YOU don't have this problem means that nobody else does and that it doesn't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidpop Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'd hardly call anything in this game a penalty. Agreed, there is no death penalty, so there is nothing to remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 There is no death penalty. Gear repair happens just from use and a few seconds to respawn is why everyone thinks this game is stupidly easy. Even if you get killed the enemies you killed stay dead so you get an easier shot and keep going till you make it. Then there is no reward from not using this method. I have got to the end of Chapter 1 and level 34 without dying and it means nothing. It is why there is so little demand for level 1 to 49 gear cause its much harder work to get the decent equipment than it is to just respawn and work your way through the encounters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 There is no death penalty. Gear repair happens just from use and a few seconds to respawn is why everyone thinks this game is stupidly easy. Even if you get killed the enemies you killed stay dead so you get an easier shot and keep going till you make it. Then there is no reward from not using this method. I have got to the end of Chapter 1 and level 34 without dying and it means nothing. It is why there is so little demand for level 1 to 49 gear cause its much harder work to get the decent equipment than it is to just respawn and work your way through the encounters. Gear repair is nominal at the lower levels with green equipment. Between 45-50 purple gear costs THOUSANDS of credits per death and multiplies if not fixed after each death. I will get exact numbers the next time this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathDiciple Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Repair costs? I don't know of any other death penalty. I would rather them just fix the random deaths..like every time you take a shuttle on Voss...or the invisible mobs..or the mobs standing in melee range in a clear field that i don't have line of sight on... This^^ also I'd rather have them remove autodeath after crashing in flashpoints (at least it keeps happening to me and people I play with - get thrown into middle-of-nowhere and before you know it you're dead with just 'return to entrance' and no way for anyone to come and rez you back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnNamedHero Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH MY MACHINE(S) This is a problem with SWTOR. It has been documented in many threads and responded to by the developers here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1501998#edit1501998 Oh existentialism. The dev response is telling people to run a hardware dioagnostic on THEIR PC'S and upload the results to them so they can "investigate this further". It is to determine if a certain hardware configuration, ie your machine, is causing the problem. It is in no way a statement that it "is a problem with SWTOR". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chumeniuk Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 This game is cupcake easy as it is. Just because you have a pc configuration that doesn't play with the game, doesn't mean that everyone else has to suffer. I've not had a single BSOD of death on my current PC in over 3 years playing many games, running VMWare and a ton of other apps. I suspect I could be an exception when it comes to stability and I would suspect you are as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Oh existentialism. The dev response is telling people to run a hardware dioagnostic on THEIR PC'S and upload the results to them so they can "investigate this further". It is to determine if a certain hardware configuration, ie your machine, is causing the problem. It is in no way a statement that it "is a problem with SWTOR". No, it's a problem with SWTOR. It has been since at least August. We even had a memory leak on Taris that completely hosed machines. Again, all well documented. This problem does not exist with any other application or game. Pointing fingers at "drivers" or "configuration" issues doesn't make the problem disappear. During beta people reported their power supplies going dead. There were at least three separate threads on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 So because your computer has issues with the game, the barely existing penalties for dying should dissapear? O_o And just because you aren't experiencing this means that it's not happening and that the rest of the players should lose tens of thousands of credits every time they play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWGVet Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) You haven't seen a true penalty until you've played Asherons Call on Darktide. Lols @ this post. Edited January 15, 2012 by SWGVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 You haven't seen a true penatly until you've played Asherons Call on Darktide. Lols @ this post. I don't have an issue with the death penalty at all. I have a problem when the death penalty is applied after a CTD or BSOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 This game is cupcake easy as it is. Just because you have a pc configuration that doesn't play with the game, doesn't mean that everyone else has to suffer. I've not had a single BSOD of death on my current PC in over 3 years playing many games, running VMWare and a ton of other apps. I suspect I could be an exception when it comes to stability and I would suspect you are as well. I am not referring to the difficulty of the game. I am not referring to the severity of the current death penalties. I have a problem with the death penalty being applied after a CTD or BSOD. I am not the only having these problems. This problem is not with my machine, my drivers, my configuration. See below: THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH MY MACHINE(S) This is a problem with SWTOR. It has been documented in many threads and responded to by the developers here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1501998#edit1501998 No Error Crash to Desktop http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=141838 Client crashes to desktop from loading screen http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=121286 Constant crash to desktop http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=102705 Crash to Desktop/Freezing/Locked up, Unable to play. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=90353 Play for 5 minutes, Crash to Desktop http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=155893 Crash to Desktop Issues http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=102471 SWTOR Crash: Blue Screen of Death! http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=94747 Blue Screen errors related to SWTOR? http://www.swtor.com/fr/community/showthread.php?t=66568 Blue Screen - Stop: 0x00000101 Error http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=71873 Black Screen (BSOD) with Error code 9000 and 2005. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=101984&page=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnNamedHero Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I don't have an issue with the death penalty at all. I have a problem when the death penalty is applied after a CTD or BSOD. Too easy to exploit. About to die? Pull out your Ethernet cord. No repair bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortwave Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I agree: Texas is a bit harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliotic Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Bluescreens can only be generated by faulty hardware or software running in ring 0. CTD's and black screen lockups are different (and can actually be caused by a faulty application). If you are getting blue screens, I'd start with upgrading your video drivers and then move onto the more obscure stuff. If you feel especially handy, you can do a bug check analysis using the method shown here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/6302.aspx Edited January 15, 2012 by Heliotic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asavar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 PEBKAC. I rarely die, play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlacke Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) I didn't encounter any of the problems you mentioned, not ONCE. Maybe you should look for answers in your own backyard? Also death penalty is just fine as is. Edited January 15, 2012 by Vlacke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 PEBKAC. I rarely die, play better. You didn't even read my post. Just a snide comment. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlacke Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Bluescreens can only be generated by faulty hardware or software running in ring 0. CTD's and black screen lockups are different (and can actually be caused by a faulty application). If you are getting blue screens, I'd start with upgrading your video drivers and then move onto the more obscure stuff. If you feel especially handy, you can do a bug check analysis using the method shown here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/6302.aspx This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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