Magic_pants Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Unless you can get 100% of the gear from arena in Warzones, I'm absolutely against any and all arena. Winning arenas isn't about being skilled, it's about having the right combination of characters repeat the same damn thing over and over. Even if it's only a weapon.. I don't see why people who roll the flavor of the month should be rewarded more then me for PvPing elsewhere. And for anyone who thinks I'm against arenas because I lack skill to get high rating.. no.. I'd just rather not be bored to death every week to get my points. The only reason I did arenas past 1 week was because it was the only way to get the best rewards, and even when it wasn't anymore (save for the weapon) you still got the points faster by doing arena then BGs. It's just a poorly thought-out system, and didn't Blizzard themselves claim Arenas were a mistake? Also, class balance gets really complicated once arena gets in the picture. Either its horrid, or the classes get homogenized. PvP is balanced for 10v10 or so, not 3v3. I quickly scanned some posts and saw someone saying small scale pvp always balances out perfectly in larger scale pvp... uh.. no. For example, rogue classes are stronger in small scale then large scale. Arenas were the beginning of the end of PvP in WoW as far as I'm concerned. Edit: Actually read the full OP and if there are no rewards associated with arena's I'm fine with their implementation (so long as nothing gets balanced solely based on them) Edited January 11, 2012 by Magic_pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) side note: have fun with arena when you: - get sapped and get 3 orbital strikes (or bh aoe) cast on you. -have teams where sorc just spam shields on people -have a team of stealth that can focus fire the crud out of one target, restleath and do it to another target decimating teams of 3 or fewer. -have a team that can group stealth, non stealth classes. 1. You have your team to help you out such as cleansing, shielding, guard, heals on you and so forth, oh and even popping CC breaker to get out of there before you die. 2. Sorc shield spamming? Ineffective due to firstly wasting your mana and secondly there is a 17/20 second debuff which prevents you from casting the shield again. Shield only absorbs few shots, its not as OP as people state. 3. Team of Stealth? Happens in WoW yet you can easily beat them. You can stay together as a group, have CC breakers ready, AOE to get them out of stealth, use the droids to get them out of stealth (some imp agent ability). You stun a stealther, destroy them considering that most stealthers die if you focus fire them within few seconds. There are plenty of other tactics. 4. So? Get them out of stealth. You speak of Stealth like its instant IWIN button. They still have to get out of stealth, you can't fight while under it. You can counter the people which use the abilities you have described. Edited January 11, 2012 by Cyphen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuthroat Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 just put arenas on the pvp servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumwun Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I clicked the link prepared to fend off more of this area nonsense. your post makes it sound worth while and a system based around fun > reward sounds pretty fun. So Props to you, OP. good post, good Ideas and thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiennen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 arenas would be awesome. not to mention that arena matches fit into the Lore of ToR the arena on Taris in KOTOR 1 comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuthroat Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 it should be done by not doing it. it's silly enough we're at "war" and take a break to play space football against our same faction no less. Now we're gonna engage in gladiatorial combat to help win the war? How about we get more then one world pvp area, and more then one world pvp area where people actually pvp before we throw other things on top of the mess. side note: have fun with arena when you: - get sapped and get 3 orbital strikes (or bh aoe) cast on you. -have teams where sorc just spam shields on people -have a team of stealth that can focus fire the crud out of one target, restleath and do it to another target decimating teams of 3 or fewer. -have a team that can group stealth, non stealth classes. how about I am playing on a pvp server and all the damn planets should be a pvp zone. while their at it, make it so you can level on a planet with the other faction so you can actually have some world pvp. A staged zone to fight people isnt world pvp. But alas, they need to do something about server imbalance before they do anything. Switch sides NOW!! Save the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBuddhist Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Just say NO to arena's and their game killing gaurantee. Want arena? Play LoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhusky Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Unless you can get 100% of the gear from arena in Warzones, I'm absolutely against any and all arena. Winning arenas isn't about being skilled, it's about having the right combination of characters repeat the same damn thing over and over. Even if it's only a weapon.. I don't see why people who roll the flavor of the month should be rewarded more then me for PvPing elsewhere. And for anyone who thinks I'm against arenas because I lack skill to get high rating.. no.. I'd just rather not be bored to death every week to get my points. The only reason I did arenas past 1 week was because it was the only way to get the best rewards, and even when it wasn't anymore (save for the weapon) you still got the points faster by doing arena then BGs. It's just a poorly thought-out system, and didn't Blizzard themselves claim Arenas were a mistake? Also, class balance gets really complicated once arena gets in the picture. Either its horrid, or the classes get homogenized. PvP is balanced for 10v10 or so, not 3v3. I quickly scanned some posts and saw someone saying small scale pvp always balances out perfectly in larger scale pvp... uh.. no. For example, rogue classes are stronger in small scale then large scale. Arenas were the beginning of the end of PvP in WoW as far as I'm concerned. Edit: Actually read the full OP and if there are no rewards associated with arena's I'm fine with their implementation (so long as nothing gets balanced solely based on them) Despite your very skewed opinion of arena, I agree. You shouldn't get better gear in arena. In fact the OP suggests you get NO rewards whatsoever. Imo just give us cosmetic gear rather than a stat boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Despite your very skewed opinion of arena, I agree. You shouldn't get better gear in arena. In fact the OP suggests you get NO rewards whatsoever. Imo just give us cosmetic gear rather than a stat boost. Exactly. As long as the following points are kept away, I don't see why not introduce Arena just for the fun and a getaway feature when you are bored of wPvP or Warzones. No Significant rewards such as Gear. Possibly few vanity items like mount, tabard, cloak and gear visual appearance change and maybe some titles for completing feasts. Game is not balanced around Arena, unless there is a specific only Arena Bolster which is suggested in the OPs video (but for PvE).Only one bracket, which is 4v4. Edited January 11, 2012 by Cyphen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delatroy Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) I support implementation of pvp arena, would add so much to the game! Edited January 11, 2012 by Delatroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayDownTheLaw Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGHTorFIGHT Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Desperately needed since the current pvp is just a shallow gear grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imsowhite Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I agree with this completely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsemaster Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 /signed Lack of skill-based PVP will kill this game for me. Warzones are too zergy, and I don't want to fight over trivial ******** like a huttball. I want arena/team deathmatch/whatever you wanna call it. I am uninterested in the complaints that arena will ruin PVE balance. You dragonslayers will manage. And no, not everyone bought this game to RP a blind Jedi through the leveling process. I'm becoming worried that there isn't anything in this game to justify an actual subscription model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzygus Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Love the idea... Let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zybak Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 I clicked the link prepared to fend off more of this area nonsense. your post makes it sound worth while and a system based around fun > reward sounds pretty fun. So Props to you, OP. good post, good Ideas and thanks for sharing. awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorizdin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Definitely agree on the e-sports theme, but I can't agree on 3v3 and the only game I can think of that went that low was WoW and that's due to (extremely) poor design not choice. 8v8 in GW1 is/was the gold standard and that's before we even start looking at the original e-sports FPS leagues. The top competition in TF2 and CSS are 5v5. Edited January 11, 2012 by thorizdin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 good post but not happening, If you want arena, there is always smugglers den, make your own. Who knows if they get popular enough (though i doubt they will, people wont do anything unless there is a reward involved) they might implement them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhusky Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 good post but not happening, If you want arena, there is always smugglers den, make your own. Who knows if they get popular enough (though i doubt they will, people wont do anything unless there is a reward involved) they might implement them. They have already stated they want to implement it. So gg. This is about how they should, not if they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maziline Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Desperately needed since the current pvp is just a shallow gear grind. It's less than one month ago that the game was released, and there are raids and several warzones already. And since so many people are already at it, compared with WoW which had no battlegrounds or raids at launch, this game is doing pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lMaverickl Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Arenas should absolutely be in any MMO that wants skilled, balanced PvP in it's game. I completely support them. Although, continue to focus on world pvp/rvr. Both have there place. Warzones are the least of my concerns IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDutch Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 They have already stated they want to implement it. So gg. This is about how they should, not if they should. Do you have a link for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oacan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 +1 To this thread Amen to that..now to see if the incompetent will even listen...they've shown and displayed a lack of understanding in terms of balance and pvp so far...hope they get this right because the pvp in this game could be so much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_pants Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 They have already stated they want to implement it. So gg. This is about how they should, not if they should. Source? I've only seen them say there will be rated WZs, which are not arenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knifewrench Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I don't mind arena being added. It just should not be the be-all end-all of PvP. Dueling in a box for a tier of higher gear has got to be the most ridiculous thing you can add to a game. We're fighting a WAR, not kung-fu ninjas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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