Deisel Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 while other faction players are killing/questing on them. can you get in trouble if the player is not flagged? I see it as defending my faction. "Choose Your Side" kinda thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdstephen Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'm rolling a healer specifically so I can do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisel Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 well i just did this flagged, so if they didnt like it, they could have ran away, then came back to take me on 1-1. instead they just beating the weakling mobs... later found 2 flagged players questing, at first i kept the npcs alive to do as much damage as possible before i jumped in, but these 2 noobs just kept aggroing more instead of backing into a corner to face me head on 2-1. i mean really, running around pulling mobs while i was healing them? some people do have a death wish. they chose their side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrak Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If they're quest mobs that you are able to heal for some reason, I'd bet it would fall under zone disruption. Especially if you're on a PVE server. If the mobs you're healing are just guards, quest givers or vendors, then healing them is likely fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisRedmond Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 On a PvP server it's fine, anything goes, as they can just attack you back if they wish. On a PvE server, I don't think it's fair, as you won't be flagged for PvP and are untouchable to the other guy. If that's how you feel, flag yourself for PvP straight away, and then do it, that would be fair. To wait until they're half dead, and then jump in? That's... well... (Insert your own adjective, 'wanky' would be my option). I've reported it myself, it's considered griefing. IMHO, rightly so, as you can't gank the c*** back. Once again, flag yourself for PvP and we can go for it. Just my 2 cents worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucklavee Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 the ability to heal your factions npcs while someone is trying to defeat them to complete a quest if a grief tactic because it inhibits your progression, what i don't understand is why bioware let gamers do this is beyond me its like they got a development team that's full of griefers to allow this grief tactic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiel Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 the ability to heal your factions npcs while someone is trying to defeat them to complete a quest if a grief tactic because it inhibits your progression, what i don't understand is why bioware let gamers do this is beyond me its like they got a development team that's full of griefers to allow this grief tactic Stuff like this BW would probably say is "to promote open world PvP". Even though all it does promote open world ganking. I play on a PVE server and every time I have encountered this there is always at least an 8-person operation of flagged players there healing NPCs, running through your AOEs and doing whatever else they can to get you to unintentionally or intentionally flag so they can gank you. If it was 1 or 2 people I wouldn't mind, it's when you start getting numbers like that together and you've basically got 2 choices, die to the NPCs because the players can out-heal your DPS, or die to the gankers because I don't care how good your gear is and what spec you play you got no chance 8v1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog_brains Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Stuff like this BW would probably say is "to promote open world PvP". Even though all it does promote open world ganking. I play on a PVE server and every time I have encountered this there is always at least an 8-person operation of flagged players there healing NPCs, running through your AOEs and doing whatever else they can to get you to unintentionally or intentionally flag so they can gank you. If it was 1 or 2 people I wouldn't mind, it's when you start getting numbers like that together and you've basically got 2 choices, die to the NPCs because the players can out-heal your DPS, or die to the gankers because I don't care how good your gear is and what spec you play you got no chance 8v1. I've had this happen a few times and reported it always as griefing and harassment. I rolled on a pve server specifically because i do not like pvp at all. In Biowares usually cryptic CS responses they don't say anything concrete at all. This more than anything, the bugs, content issues, etc is what put me on the verge of leaving the game. If Bioware ever comes out an specifically says that this is an acceptable game mechanic on the PVE servers, i'll cancel my sub and uninstall the game on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazerCannon Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 This happened to me on Quesh while I was leveling a JK (PvE server). A sith sorcerer was following me around and buffing and healing the mobs I attacked trying to get to my quest destination.I just logged out and played something else. Why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beslley Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 IDK, I play on a PvP server, but I imagine on a PvE server something like that could be really disruptive, especially if it doesn't flag you. IMO something like that should put up your PvP flag so at least the other player can attack you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsheraII Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 On a PvP server it's fine, anything goes, as they can just attack you back if they wish. On a PvE server, I don't think it's fair, as you won't be flagged for PvP and are untouchable to the other guy. If that's how you feel, flag yourself for PvP straight away, and then do it, that would be fair. To wait until they're half dead, and then jump in? That's... well... (Insert your own adjective, 'wanky' would be my option). I've reported it myself, it's considered griefing. IMHO, rightly so, as you can't gank the c*** back. Once again, flag yourself for PvP and we can go for it. Just my 2 cents worth. On a PvE server, it doesn't matter if a player flags for PvP or not while healing an NPC. That player obviously rolled for the PvE server BECAUSE he or she is NOT interrested in PvP. Maybe players reported for doing this should be auto-transfered to a newly created PvP server, where they can merrily heal eachothers' targets, instead of griefing players who rolled for a PvE server because they're not interrested in PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyfy Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Would need clarification from the OP, but I think what he is talking about would be for example on Tattooine you are at your outpost and random lvl XX comes up and starts attacking the guards for that locale and you having healing capabilities throw some heals on said NPC guard/s. Which would not be a case of griefing someone trying to complete a mission objective, but helping defend your post from an assault movement on your outpost. Now if the Op is in fact talking about healing an NPC that is part of someones quest objective to defeat, then I would agree that disciplinary measures may be in order. But to just heal a guard NPC at one of your factions locations for trying to defend it from an opposing faction player then no, that sounds perfectly ok to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueyedJedi Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 while other faction players are killing/questing on them. can you get in trouble if the player is not flagged? I see it as defending my faction. "Choose Your Side" kinda thinking. Wouldnt you get flagged if you buff or heal a flagged player or npc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptianFordo Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) The chimps (imperials) on my server did this nonsense. We ROFL-stomped them back into their base for it. Hasn't happened sense. We'll kill 'em if they continue force-flagging. And that's a promise. ~The Shadowlands Server~ Edited January 23, 2013 by CaptianFordo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisRedmond Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Wouldnt you get flagged if you buff or heal a flagged player or npc? Not when healing an NPC, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fornix Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Fine on a PvP server. On PvE servers I always ensure that such people get a temporary vacation by reporting them for harrasment/griefing along with asking guildies to send in a report against such people. Edited January 24, 2013 by Fornix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belacose Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Maybe the healing perpetrators are just a bit confused over the whole concept of a carebear server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleprock Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I think its funny lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errant_knight Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 This is griefing. You're getting other players killed and stopping their gameplay. If you do it flagged, you'll likely be destroyed, especially if a guild comes to the defense of the player you're griefing. If you do it unflagged, you'll be considered a trolling coward. However you do it, all around you will consider you a d-bag and you may find yourself with a bad reputation that speads to both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezakh Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 while other faction players are killing/questing on them. can you get in trouble if the player is not flagged? I see it as defending my faction. "Choose Your Side" kinda thinking. Generally speaking, this is considered a grief tactic in MMO's and is typically not tolerated (I cannot think of one MMO where this was allowed/acceptable to the GM's). You may want to be careful with this, especially on a pve server, cause it could get you in a lot of trouble if someone or a group decided to report you on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlon_Nabarlly Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Wouldnt you get flagged if you buff or heal a flagged player or npc? No, but that seems like a common sense solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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