Furyofwar Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 So I have been reading the forums and all I have to say is wow. What has happened to this MMO community? Part of getting a new game is adapting to that new game. Learning every aspect of a new game. Getting rid of old habits(Warcraft) an becoming a better player. It is starting to look like the MMO community not everyone but a large amount of people could not play any game without someone telling them how to play it. Warcraft has spoiled gamers to the core. With all the Guides, Videos, Websites, Forums with information about how to play gamers have forgot how to learn for themselves. To be truly good at a video game you must learn for yourself. That being said many gamers are not on all the same skill levels. Some gamers will learn fast and excel very early at the game. Others will just bloom when they can be told how to play. Right now the game of SWTOR is being dominated by those players who do not need guides, forums, or other websites to help them be good at video games. The issue with most games is they are to easy. This gives players the illusion that they are the greatest gamers in the world. An when that illusion gets crushed by a smashing defeat at the hands of another player they will get very very upset. Majority of the time this leads to two different things. 1.) Nerd Rage 2.) QQ So I will take the time to try to help everyone out. If your struggling at PvP I will give you some tips as well as address some of the topics I have seen on the forums. Level 50 Brackets: Do higher levels get a advantage in PvP? The answer is yes. But this is a Role Playing Game(RPG). An this is not unfair because everyone has the same right to level up and become level 50. Leveling gives you the ability to unlock more talents, ability's and gear. Just like many current PvP games you unlock more stuff the more time you put into it. Now the way bolster works currently a lot of those Stats level 50s get from gear is nerfed when we enter war zones. Including: Health, Damage, Accuracy, Critical, Surge, Power etc. You get the point. 50's get expertise which totals to about 12% expertise when fully geared. That is only 12% better healing, Damage, An damage less taken. As a non 50 you have access to tons of war zone points you do not have to save if you do not want to. Meaning you can buy those lovely 15% expertise potions for 10 war zone points each. A level 20 can easily use this potion to get the satisfaction of owning a level 50. You can also use medical packs in war zones. If your low level I suggest you use these as well. Piss poor preparation leads to piss poor performance. So if you do not take the time to level and you enter war zones unprepared without these PvP items you will always get destroyed by players who do. Characters OP: Wrong. None are OP. Right now things are pretty balanced at 50 for the classes but I will have to agree that the guardians/marauders should most likely get a slightly lower cd on the leap ability but other then that everything is pretty legit at 50. Way more balanced 1 on 1 then world of warcraft could ever be. Huttball: By far the greatest/funniest PvP game ever allowed in a MMO game. This game allows for extreme teamwork and strategy. A lot of the QQ I am seeing on the forums is about SPRINTING with the ball. So we will go over this. This ability is no different then a druid sprinting with the flag in warsong gulch. You just have yet to learn to adapt to it. Here are some tips to make you a better hutt ball player. Do not give the ball carriers max Resolve. Its the bar next to there character picture when you have them targeted(Its a interface option to turn it on) This is very bad giving someone max resolve makes them immune to everything in SWTOR. The best defense is a knock back, grapple, death grip not a stun. It takes 2 stuns to kill someone in fire(Smart players trinket) only one knock back to send them into the pit. Keep in mind you need to send teammates into the pit with them because they can grip them back up. Do not give people resolve unless you kill them when they are trying to score on your team. Do not waste a stun on a ball carrier unless its a last resort it is not effective. Control the upper ground! This is huge you must fight to the death to control the top area of hutt ball or good teams will walk all over you an score non stop. Nerf Classes: Sorcs, Operatives, BH's, Juggernauts are not OP. They all do very well with a great player behind the keyboard. Marauders / Guardians could use a small decrease in there cool down time for leap but that's about it. Most importantly people need to learn what these classes are capable of doing. There are no addons to tell you what to do or how to play in SWTOR. So you must learn for yourself. Your UI/Action bars etc are able to be changed and keybinded just like in warcraft and must be done. Turn on your resolve bar Finally: Stats Part of the reason some characters are better then others is due to poor character itemization while leveling. You must use the correct gear. You cannot just use any item you want each class uses different stats to maximize damage/healing. If your a melee and you don't use tons of critical you will get slaughtered you do not have 100% DPS up time you must use the correct stats. Make sure you understand the stats.. Most players do not even realize that accuracy once you reach 100% becomes armor pen increasing the damage the target your hitting takes. Ill edit this and add more as I go but I'm currently at work. So that's all for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draccman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Operatives 8k crits and 6k aoe smash arent op? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delekii Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Gross sweeping troll, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyofwar Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Operatives Critting for 8k is a non issue. Its one time an not sustainable other classes can spam 4-6k non stop which is far more deadly when people can get 15-20k HP pretty easily. They are still low dmg overall compared to other classes. Every other class will still out dmg them overall. 8k is nothing when your geared out for the amount of time it takes for them to do it. We have not lost a single war zone yet. An there are many operatives we face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worfalh Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I have to agree with everything you said. I'm sick to see all these whiners who doesn't see the bigger picture of the game. Swtor is unique in it's own way and so far, I've enjoyed everything bioware has put in it. I've never had any problem or balance issue at all during my pvp experience. Every 1v1 fight or duel I've been in has almost always ended up with the winner with 10% hp left. Someetimes, I even think my own class (vanguard shield specialist) needs a nerf, but I haven't seen any complaints about them. As it looks like to me, people seems to note numbers, post it on the forums and say "nerf". That's not how it works. How it works then, is something you for gods sake have to find out yourself. Complaining will only make you look bad. I'll keep playing and enjoying this for a very long time. You can keep complaining, but I really don't want the game to change. Most of the "solutions" I see will only help some people while it for the rest gets worse. And you can read the OP's post why it isn't worth to do so either. Very well written OP. I'm with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDuke Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Total BS on the OP ... roll a new toon, take it into a bg and go beat on a pvp geared 50. Let me guess, like a fly he ignored you for 60seconds or so, then he turned around and killed you within 5s. Sorry buckwheat, grow a pair, advocate fighting other 50's, instead of this dribble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyofwar Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Total BS on the OP ... roll a new toon, take it into a bg and go beat on a pvp geared 50. Let me guess, like a fly he ignored you for 60seconds or so, then he turned around and killed you within 5s. Sorry buckwheat, grow a pair, advocate fighting other 50's, instead of this dribble. Sorry you have had a bad experience with the skill levels on your server. But I have already beaten all the 50s on my server. In fact they have begun flocking to our guild cause we #1 at pvp. We had no issues smashing the 50s while finishing leveling our toons. Edited January 2, 2012 by Furyofwar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenonParsec Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I like how people declare everything is fine, and we all just need to l2p. While I'm sure you were earnest in your anecdotal, completely opinion-based presentation of your own personal experiences in pvp as fact, I would argue that there are in fact balance issues with the game. Unless you're trying to claim SWTOR has the first air-tight balanced PvP to be released of any mmo ever, I would contend there are PLENTY balance issues that need to be addressed. Whether or not the forums and discussion formats are distasteful to you personally is irrelevant. It's the only platform by which the playerbase can make the developers aware of something so they can go use their own tools to confirm/debunk. I sadly found an utter lack of truth in your post. sry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyofwar Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 I like how people declare everything is fine, and we all just need to l2p. While I'm sure you were earnest in your anecdotal, completely opinion-based presentation of your own personal experiences in pvp as fact, I would argue that there are in fact balance issues with the game. Unless you're trying to claim SWTOR has the first air-tight balanced PvP to be released of any mmo ever, I would contend there are PLENTY balance issues that need to be addressed. Whether or not the forums and discussion formats are distasteful to you personally is irrelevant. It's the only platform by which the playerbase can make the developers aware of something so they can go use their own tools to confirm/debunk. I sadly found an utter lack of truth in your post. sry. Your welcome to your own opinion. Despite the QQ going on around about things we have managed to maintain a 95-100% win ratio in PvP even while we were leveling up. Team games are not meat to be played solo.. majority of players issues is they want teamwork in pugs of people they don't know. But that is pretty much impossible majority of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailey Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I'm sorry but ppl saying what the OP says is bs, is bs in itself. Our guild has been winning bgs from lvl 10. we inv people that are lvl 10+ if they are good at what they do there's no mistake. 8 lvl 10s can beat 8 lvl 50s but they may have to coordinate and work together, you cant just complain that you get "1 shot" by lvl 50s if you are bein dumb and running by yourself head first into a crowd of them. Its suicide to be alone in a bg, no matter what your lvl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenonParsec Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Your welcome to your own opinion. Despite the QQ going on around about things we have managed to maintain a 95-100% win ratio in PvP even while we were leveling up. It's actually far more likely there are pvp balance issues in the game than your guild's imaginary pvp stats. Posts like yours only help to keep mmos stagnant and unbalanced so neckbeards can show up and say something obtuse like "all is well everyone, me and my buddies use all the OP classes and abilities, so obviously theres no problem. Did I mention my PvP resume? There's no tracking in the game or ladders at all, but we have a 110%-over9000% win ratio, so i know what im talking about!" Please stop spreading disinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowdancer Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I can't believe you suggest using a 25 second consumable on a 3 minute timer as a solution to a 4 levels 50s ganking lower level players. That is a not going to solve the problem. It will make getting the 75K medal easier though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyofwar Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 It's actually far more likely there are pvp balance issues in the game than your guild's imaginary pvp stats. Posts like yours only help to keep mmos stagnant and unbalanced so neckbeards can show up and say something obtuse like "all is well everyone, me and my buddies use all the OP classes and abilities, so obviously theres no problem. Did I mention my PvP resume? There's no tracking in the game or ladders at all, but we have a 110%-over9000% win ratio, so i know what im talking about!" Please stop spreading disinformation. only difference is your upset so your obviously losing a lot an that shows your track record. we on the other hand have learned what to do. enjoy the game and have a amazing win percentage an already are being known for #1 on our server. It comes down to your players. Sorry. But any class can be beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailey Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) It's actually far more likely there are pvp balance issues in the game than your guild's imaginary pvp stats. Posts like yours only help to keep mmos stagnant and unbalanced so neckbeards can show up and say something obtuse like "all is well everyone, me and my buddies use all the OP classes and abilities, so obviously theres no problem. Did I mention my PvP resume? There's no tracking in the game or ladders at all, but we have a 110%-over9000% win ratio, so i know what im talking about!" Please stop spreading disinformation. I can vouch for his win ratio btw and so can the people in our guild, come to Darth Sion and pst anyone in our guild (Devious), they can tell you w/e you want to know. Edited January 2, 2012 by Tailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenonParsec Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Of course when there's no way to track stats, or there's no ladder, or no SWTOR Herald or SWTOR Armory, everyone is always the number 1 pvp clan that's never been beat. On a light population PvE server no less. What a joke. I too am undefeated in pvp. I beat level 50's in champion gear with brand new level 11's. How do I do this? By exploiting the lack of balance in the game. Hit me up in game if you need tips. Edited January 2, 2012 by XenonParsec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serverlag Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 im the no.1 on my server too.... you want stats... sorry no can do... but i promise im the no.1 everyone knows that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonso Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I wish I had the want to write my opinion out and force people to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorDarkstar Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I agree with the OP 100% people should stop complaining and just play the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRISGG Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 If I follow this guide will I be able to achieve challenger title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKohastFel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Please stop spreading disinformation. That is the problem with PvP guides in general, a lot of them are written to make the person who follows its advice lose more. A lot of major PvP players will write a "guides" full of bad advice so that they will win more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmViiOLENT Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 That is the problem with PvP guides in general, a lot of them are written to make the person who follows its advice lose more. A lot of major PvP players will write a "guides" full of bad advice so that they will win more. Holy necro, that aside, you're an idiot if you think that. You have no idea how aggravating it is to lose a wz because bads on your team don't know how to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 That is the problem with PvP guides in general, a lot of them are written to make the person who follows its advice lose more. A lot of major PvP players will write a "guides" full of bad advice so that they will win more. necro city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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