Pretty much, PvE'rs get the royal treatment.

I'm seriously starting to think that there are a huge amount of people on the forums employed by Bioware, whose sole purpose is to embarrass, demean, or bash the hell out of anyone that criticizes or critiques this game. Either I'm spot on, or the intelligence and morality of the human species is degenerating at a faster rate than I previously thought possible.....

It pretty much was a slap in the face.

The positions are relative to your starting point, I.E. for repubs left is west, right is east... and it stays that way form a northern minimap view at all times.

Your assessment is wrong.

This would be like Bioware saying to the PvE community. PvE progression should not exist... we are going to start dropping Rakata gear tokens in all flashpoints or allowing people to purchase top level gear with money so everyone can wear the best gear without effort or time invested in nightmare ops. (Basically what they did to PvP'ers with Valor) Having an unfair gear advantage in PvE takes away the skill factor and makes it all about gear. Letting people buy rakata gear for money or from easy flashpoints should be considered so it's all about skill and no gear differences. No reward for clearing hard content, people who do lvl 50 flashpoints doing far less work should be able to attain the same gear as a coordinated ops group would.

What you find fun isn't the criteria for everyone else.

I don't see how this is a problem. Now I can spend 100% of my time healing instead of auto attack tagging enemies for kill credit.

I want to clear up a few misconceptions people have been interjecting into my thread.. I am not a dpser, I'm a healer. I worked for my valor the honest way (didn't even use Pure Shockfrozen water, I was against it.) I believe in balanced gameplay. Now with that said, I do not agree how they are treating their 3 month vets already. It's the same stuff SWG did that made me quit in 05' with the NGE (worst update in MMO history.) They need to tell us thank you in some way for investing hundreds of hours to get +60 valor by supporting their game. Like I said before, an exclusive title (Like no longer attainable BM title after patch 1.1.5), or a pet, or some kind of recognition beyond a reskinned mount. I mean as it stands the PvE'rs are getting treated way better while the PvP'rs have to start from scratch again.... I could have went and got full rakata instead of wasting my time on a failed PvP system.

I guess this is the entitlement generation, and any amount of grinding or meaningful time investment is UNACCEPTABLE. MMo's used to be about building on your investments, showcasing what you've done over the years. Some of us are oldschool MMO'ers that are not into the welfare state of modern day gear giving and forgetting the founders of the game. When you market a game as meaningful and every choice you make is important, like with Valor, and than tell us it's a useless and temp system that earns you almost NOTHING, it's a slap in the face.

And that is supposed to make what you said any less offensive?

Um excuse me, what kind of highfalutin jerk do you have to be to claim people have no life because they got something you were not motivated enough to achieve? 1.2 isn't going to make gear about skill, you are still going to get Warhero Comms for losing to purchase the gear. and... I've made almost no alts. I've done almost no PvE content. (not a fan) Thus I've spent the majority of my in-game time PvPing. Bioware could have handled valor in 40 different ways (even incorporating it into the legacy system), instead they chose to render it complete crap and a timesink until 1.2.. Nope, sorry, I and every other BM player who feels the same will probably just stop logging in until 1.2

All these personal attacks are from people who can't form a coherent argument.. how droll... stop acting like dunderheads. We get it you like the welfare gear system. I like the majority of PvP changes too, but what they are doing with valor is a total SLAP IN THE FACE to any serious player pre-1.2

You're misguided, I put in hundreds of honest hours pvping with guildies and friends earning my valor.... and Biowares reward for my investment is to get a chance to be the ops leader and 2 lame mounts? I feel like they should reward the people who invested and stuck with their game from the start, like taking away the Battle Master title after 1.1.5 only letting those who earned it keep it.

It's basically a slap in the face for your time investment. I probably won't be on much PvPing till 1.2 now since the War Hero gear grind cannot start until then, I have nothing to do with BM gear and useless valor.

What is being said here is that we should stop all PvP grinding till 1.2 because everything we grind will be useless untill ranked commendations for War Hero gear and all we will get is one or two lame mounts and to be the leader in a wz (which no one cares about) for our valor grinding.

Taken from Guild Summit on Valor/Gear in PvP. Q: we have a few guildies that are battlemaster – are you going to make it less grindy to obtain these gear as right now they are farming daily and weekly quests to get those commendations? A: Right now if you are valor 60, the only way to get BM bags is via quests – winning warzones. This leads to bad behaviors of leaving warzones you are losing. It took away the incentives to get commendations and the incentives to get performance in warzones. In 1.2 the ranked warzone commendations will be used to purchase War hero gear directly (no valor rank or warzone rating required to equip the new War Hero gear) . Warzone rating will allow you to get a different color version of the War Hero gear (its more of a prestige thing, especially in the pre-season). Valor rank requirement for battlemaster gear was a temporary measure – valor rank is suppose a PvP prestige thing and not a gear progression. More valor ranks give you prestige things like being able to be the leader of a warzone, cool mounts etc.

Yeah I hear ya, I've been running pugs till 1.2 comes out for the most part.

This is Durzo... and yeah every time I get you on me in a warzone Tidus I try to stun the hell out of you ^_^ /cleanse /heal /shields + health gen. 2 Insta Heals + bio heal /cleanse /heal Though I didn't see me, Indo, or Psychrome, or any of the other top repub players in the video. I run into you a lot too ^_^

Yeah, I pretty much stopped logging in except for the dailies, and that is even meh.. I don't like not being able to progress my character because of RNG.

4 more bags full of champ coms. /Golfclap

Still incredibly frustrating...

They haven't revealed too much information on how the new system will accommodate token costs.

Lots of good posts here, thank you guys for staying on topic.

1. No one gives a flying crap about the companions, like I said, they are already geared, that has nothing to do with the real issue. 2. The gear system does need a fix obviously, calling me a qqer doesn't prove your point, nice try though. Got your Bm set in ten dailies and weeklies, that's a blatant lie and troll/baiting or you've got some kind of godly gamblers odds. 3. You have no idea what you're talking about.