Finally downed the Tanks this week, so wanted to say thanks to the thread! I also ended up swapping to a balance spec and saw a nice dps bump, coming in at 1250 now no problem on storm/fire. Poor infiltration...I will miss you

Looking for advice from progressive raiders on what they use for Relic slot. Three generic options I have and flip-flop between are" Power Relic Matrix Cube Auto-Proc (internal damage or kin/energy variety) I was told previously to go with Auto-Proc and Matrix Cube, but being in EC HM I am seeing that it is more useful to use to Power Relic for increased burst DPS. Could also combine it with Fabricator Relic for 2 buffs on separate timers. If there is some standard best practice it would be awesome to know, but leaning towards a Power + Matrix or 2 Powers at the moment. Thanks for the help!

Any chance you can repost those links? I am very very interested to see your balance rotation. I re-specced balance tonight since my ops group is stuck on tanks in EC HM and wanted to see what I could do better. On ops dummies first time ever touching balance im only getting 1260, self buffed no adrenals/force potency/battle readiness. Wondering if its in line

Pretty taken aback by the nerf sledgehammer. More so because we got ZERO dps boost, and for progressive raiding shadow dps is known to be lower end. So now with our tank spec slapped with a significant nerf our endgame pve viability just took a big hit :/

Very helpful for you to post this log, especially since its puts tanks dps in context with toth/zorn. Numbers are quite different

Thanks for all the responses! I am relatively confident with my current rotation/spec/gear setup on infiltration, so looks like I'm going to try balance again for a bit and see what it does to my numbers for toth/zorn and tanks. Definitely sounds like my fears of 1100 being the bare bare minimum is true, so I'll also try to get more people running parses in our ops group to see exactly where we are hurting That breakdown of tank fight considering total hp and dps uptime was helpful, time for us to raise the bar and down these nerf herders.

Our group is stuck on tanks in EC HM and it is strictly a DPS problem. We are hitting the timers (sometimes on Zorn/Toth too) so to me that means minimum DPS is not there. As an infiltration shadow I expect to be at the lower end of the dps hierarchy, and my parses show consistent 1100 numbers for Toth/Zorn. The rest of raid group does not run parses yet but I want to get an idea of what other people who are easily downing these tools are hitting for dps. No epeens please, just trying to see what needs to happen for my ops group to progress. Thanks

Can we please sticky this guide? It has great shadow tank PvE info, and being on page 11 of these forums buries it. Powerr's guide is great but it's PvP only...pls sticky!

Thanks for the tip I'll check it out!

Ok awesome, so Mods and Enhancements are free reign for swaps but Armoring (in tiered gear) is tied to the slot Time to make my saber! Thanks

I remember reading that they were going to start tying your modifications to the gear slot they came from. In other words, you cannot pull an Armoring/Mod/Enhancement out of a chest piece and put it in your head slot. I currently am having horrible HORRIBLE luck getting my rakata mainhand, to the point where it is quite irritating. My plan was to buy the Black Hole Head piece and rip out the Mod/Enhancement and stick the Hilt from my Columi saber in, since at least this way I get the augment slot bonus + the increased stats from Mod/enhancement. Anywho...just wanted to make sure this was possible as I did not fancy wasting 150k to pull out mods and find out I cannot put Head piece mods into my saber. THANKS!!!

Hey Forum! Quick question, I started parsing my operations lately to check my DPS and give me more information to work with when modifying specs/gear but noticed an annoyance. Unless I am crazy, our vanish ends combat logs prematurely for an attempt since it takes us out of combat. Is there any way to compensate for this outside of adding the numbering together from both attempts? I mainly have been using AskMrRobot. Thanks!

Thanks! Looks like they didn't go into details but heck that's enough for me. I'll just quit being lazy and get them all to 10k, thx again

Dev type confirmation and detail was what I was looking for For example, is it +1 crit per 2k affection or is it tied to progressing through dialogue like with legacy companion unlocks? Just more hard info would be great, unless I'm the only one not in the know

Just wanted to confirm what the general consensus seems to be, that not only does increased affection increase efficiency, but has confirmed crit rate increase as well. Weighing cost benefit of leveling all my companions up on all toons and this info would help a lot. Thanks!!!

I am sure others have noticed that for a lot of pieces Black Hole gear is a lateral move and not a clear improvement across the board. Meaning, you lose crit/surge to gain acc/powe etc. With that said, what priority order are you all putting on which gear to replace? I am having trouble deciding myself and almost want to say the heck with black hole, since I can stick with rakata until I get campaign. This way I can just use my black hole comms for tank off spec, giving me better flexibility faster. Thoughts?

Thanks for the hard data on EC operation. I had the exact same experience but only anecdotal evidence (didn't parse it out) In truth, I was bashing my own spec (INF) pre-1.2 because I feared we had no group utility (unlike sentinel buffs), were melee dps (ranged is easier in every mmo), no aoe damage, and would parse same as other dps in ops. So my concern was why the heck bring a shadow when you can bring a sent? I still have the concern somewhat, but experiencing myself that EC has a lot of mechanics that require burst dps I feel a bit better.

Sorry to double post but 1 more thing... I experimented with only 2 points in Infiltration Tactics and am finding my proc availability is unchanged. The result? A free point in shadowy veil. Not exactly epic but it's free Anyone else try this and like it? Still somewhat undecided...

I am in a similar boat. I focus mainly on pve currently with my INF and find the 10 second reduction in speed is huge for boss mechanics (our only darn gap closer) and 15 off resilience is invaluable. If DPS is a wash between 7/31/3 and 2/31/8 my decision is easy...but I have yet to see a definitive comparison. Also, if you don't mind expanding on your omission of security breach that would be awesome. I know it's a debatable topic and I'd love to hear your opinion Thanks!!!

First off, fan-freakin-tastic post! Now to my quick question/comment...is it just me or does the stat difference between BH and campaign seem negligable? Going off dulfy's info on her site and it just seems odd to me

It is awesome that you posted, been looking for this info on infiltration since PTS has been up. With normal increased difficulty that comes from being Melee vs Ranged in Ops I'm just worried parses will show ranged to be far superior and cut the need for shadows out (sents are fine cause aoe buffs). This gives me some hope