Tank says hes better than most everyone because he is tank specced and can self heal therfore unstoppable and thinks dps build is bad so bashes said dps build even tho said dps build is *********** amazing if used to a higher standard than op who just stands there and takes hit and does subpar dps ..

baddies on these forums i swear ... 2/31/8 is a good spec to go for if you want to dps the 0/13/28 spec seems liek you are sacrificing alot of the major talents for aoe which is pathetic because a boss fight you wont need to aoe .. the problem with most assassins imo jsut by looking at this thread is that they dont know how to manage rotations.. but if you dont wanna roll deception then just go 31 points in madness dont listen to the hybrids they make this forum look bad

Stop giving false information saying decpetion is only for one phase its really pathetic when people do this.. Deception is a great spec for dps just gotta be more alert to your buffs and how to use them which isnt a bad thing because a deception assassin can out dps madness any day chain shock is where its at.. deception is bursty but it dam sure can sustain itself which makes it the superior spec.. sustained and bursty or just sustained hrmm ?

Oooo can looks like there is an iron citadel thread

well judging from when we did an accidental pull and the boss killed me first adn they had the rest of the dps there with my guild they managed to get the boss to like 13% before enraging and that 13% health apprantley was me cause the next true pull i survived and we downed him even when another of the dps died so basically we can take on a boss if i stay alive arriving on that terms i do a good amount of damage. but without combat logs we really cant define where we stand on dps... but assuming our rotation is point on key we can be a very strong dps class.. just have to be more aware.. ive played a rogue all my life in WoW so this class is very familliar to me as deception so i dont feel like we are underpowered but who knows need combat logs to find out .. like i said though deception rotation is very proc and energy based so you have to be aware how to use all your cds and relics to benefit each other to be able to keep up the dps

2/31/8 is the best spec for DPS its the best for burst and can rip through anything and anyone .. madness can get destoyed so easily if you think you can stand there and cast or hit someone and hope for procs.. As an Assassin deception can melt anyone away and we have the burst to drop someone from full to death while still having the survivability the 23/0/18 spec just gimps itself because its trying to survive while trying to do dps which is subpar to a pure deception spec its trying to be everything in yet falls short on both ..

The 2 in Thrashing blades help when running the 2/31/8 i like using the 0/33/8 spec from time to time but more dps is good when using VS btw nice vid

these specs do not look so good you are giving up most of the late talent tree abiilites that help you actually alot these dont the dps and you have to use fillers in certain trees and a casting melee dps will get rolled on by anyone going the normal chain shock build .. i hate to bump this thread

5/31/5 Streaming swtor! http://www.own3d.tv/live/68428 im not claiming i know everything but i guess i do very well and i also dont know how the stream is holding up but it should be ok

cool guess i'll start streaming some stuff too pvp assassins are awesome imo <--- 50 assassin on Iron Citadel

Even from a PvE perspective you shouldnt open with maul it still leaves with 60 Force if you are doing a assassin tank or even DPS start with a VS (voltiac slash) or it would be wither or a lower force cost ability so dont think basic attacks are out of the question... remember your trying to do the most damage but you have to be able to keep your force to do that damage force starving yourself from the begin is bad ... Pre-spike i would use a thrash or even shock or basic attack maul is good when you have EW and its not being used for 50 force basicallly you have to think about why would i leave myself with 50 force at the begin of the fight then use another ability and leave myself starved and waiting for my force to regen while they attack you and what level you get spike is i think at like mid 30s or 40s i forget check it out on torhead.com they show most abilities

Believe it or not your opener is not supposed to be maul idk what ever gave you that idea... maul is great during combat but as your opener leaves you with 60 Force at the beginning of the fight which is not ideal... i know that most assassins start with spike since it has a small resolve build up which is great to start... idk who told you that but if you think really hard why would it be worth it to use a 50 energy attack and hope its crit when you can just start with a spike and 2 VS or even some basic attacks and get your exploit weakness up.. Maul is not ideal to open in pvp specailly in the situations assassins are put in spike is perfect for putting someone down remember its a hard knock down which is a perfect CC go ahead and use low slash into that rotation and the resolve bar still wont be all the way to full and then you could use an electrocute which then would make the target unccable but they time that happens your assassin should have done already nearly his whole damage.. Maul should always be used when EW is up and EW is never up at the begin right out of stealth which isnt the smartest thing to open with so Spike is the most ideal and if that isnt up use VS or Basic attack but wait to use maul until you know you HAVE EW up so you never force starve yourself.

Ususally when you have a rotation it is used as highest priority having assassinate as highest seems a little wrong unless im reading it wrong it should usually warrant some weird discussions .. Anyways the way armor pentration is right now it would lower how much accuarcy you would actually have to require if you want for the standard pve build of 5/31/5 which would make your white damage do alot more damage... judging from the way our rotation is most of our damage is actually white damage maul is not a special and wait for Discharge to be 5 charges seems to be like a waste of time in your rotation loweting your dps.. We cannot wait for that charge since the up from 4 to 5 charges is very minimal wait for it would cost you alot more dps.. Discharge should be used every single time it is up.. Imo rotation for a Deception would be like VS x2 >-- AA(auto attack) -- Maul (EW) -- shock -- discharge 3-5 charges -- AA -- Repeat Of course under 30% you would add in Assassinate judging from the long cooldown in would be either in between AA or the shock part so cooldown could be up by the time your roation starts again.. of course Decption DPS should always be using blackout up On CD and Using force cloak (Vansih) to keep there regen up .. in long fights your rotations should include Blackout which can be used twice before vanish is up then use vanish basically always having good Regen up is key to having this rotation up Reacting to a CS may seem good but it seems like you will be using more RNG with extra CS and in reality only gives 22% of that damage.

i think im oct 3rd havent got in :< sigh