My appologies if I made it seem that way. Clearly Gaurdians are the ones with close to 30K hp in some cases, and Sents are the ones with the invisibility and immunity to damage tricks. Other than that I'm reffering to the "focus" talent tree which is basically the same for both.

Like I said .. I was leaving out the time to force choke.. I am lvl 36 sent actually. I think you are forgetting something called "Zen" .. gives you 4 Unity right away .. ?? Not to mention the ability I don't have yet but coming shortly "force Exhaustion" only 18 second cooldown. That's 3 different ways to build 4 unity and pretty much constantly roll top AOE damage, biggest hit in the game.

Actually I do have a lvl 36 Sent.. why would I make that up?

Hey I'm just calling it how it is.. if they want to make it this easy for me to faceroll with a Jedi Sent.. then I will continue to do that. No difference to me.. I'd just like to see some other classes maybe from time to time in PvP matches?? Call me crazy... But hell .. if they want all sents gaurdians and pyrotechs and that's it.. whatever... i'll play the OP EasyMode class and demolish with it. /whatevs

Dead serious.. and dead on. Hey I have been playing a Sent myself and it's just a joke how easy it is to play and demolish .. I'm top damage almost EVERY pvp match I play.. all I have to do is leap around like a ballerina, force sweep AOE damage for 4.5K easy 1-49 bracket.. leap to someone else.. free cost rollface master strike.. leap to someone else force sweep AOE damage for 4.5K oh.. getting hit.. np.. i'm INVISIBLE now!! you can't see me.. no longer targeted on me... aaaand LEAP to someone else.. AOE force sweep 4.5k damage.. etc, etc, etc.. I don't even have the invulnerablitity yet Obviously I'm leaving out the force choke etc.. but basically that's all i do for easy top damage, top kills, solo kills.. Now I see why karate masters call their students grasshoppers

And THIS is why I'm unsubbing and waiting for F2P If I'm going to get rolled by the ridiculously OP'd sents and gaurdians and sith equivalents... when it's been so obvious for months and months and months that they are ridiculously over powered (which is why you see pvp teams that are at LEAST 50% knights or warriors, rest mostly vangaurds or pyrotech FOTM and once in a while a sage or smuggler etc... If I'm going to get that.. I'm not paying them to **** up anymore... I'll play for free and if they finally get their heads out of their asses and balance it out (which seems unlikely) I'll gladly sub up again.. But it's not promising.. Anyway it's my right.. I'm not giving them my hard earned money for an unbalanced piece of **** anymore.. should have unsubbed sooner but I love the universe so much I'm a sucker I guess.

I realise that Pyro's are Fotm and get majority of nerfbat calls but how have knights and warriors going under the radar for so long?? Do they not see that it's like realistically 50% AT LEAST knights or warriors in each pvp team? rest is vangaurd/pyrotechs .. I'm usually the only Sage and I'm balance specced so just fubarred... as far as L2P .. you've obviously never played me.. I go plenty of matches that I can go top damage top heals.. but it's DESPITE my class.. not because of it.. I have to be constantly hiding behind corners.. throwing out DOTS, shielding my team with my bubble, and running AS SOON AS I GET HIT BY ANYTHING to lose line of sight because otherwise I'm getting leaped at and killed in about 2 seconds.. 6 if they have to wait for their force choke to finish before 6k sweeping me.

It's funny.. if this game wasn't going F2P.. I might have actually stuck around and hoped for the best for a bit longer.. something about it going F2P just feels.. desperate. I don't know how else to put it. Anyway I have been on the edge of unsubbing for a second time now for a while... right around the time they nerfed the hell out of my sage to complete oblivion and now all I see are JEDI KNIGHTS or SITH WARRIORS, etiher class in each case, doesn't matter.. all they do is LEAP around like little fairies over and over spamming their 6000 DMG (AREA OF EFFECT!!!) sweep or whatever it's called for Siths.. finishing you off with a lightsaber throw for 4k etc.. I mean.. honestly... my only defence as a sage for example.. a shield which they burn through in .2 seconds.. and a 2 second speed burst that they just LEAP to me in groups of 3 or more (because honestly it's like 75% Knights or Warriors in PvP in any given game in most cases) that totally stops me in my tracks, and then ANOTHER 6K AOE sweep and bye bye. If I DO manage to EVER get a chance to hit on one for a bit, it's either a tank spec with close to 30k HEALTH IN SOME CASES.. ridiculous.. that takes 5 guys to wail on before he's even remotely dead... during which he's doing his AOE for 6k crits (it always crits after a leap so don't really need to say that)... Back on track... if I do get close to killing a sentinal though .. oop.. he gets like a 4 or 5 second immunity ability pretty much... then goes invisible! .. then pops a potion or something and is leaping out of invisibility at me.. 6k AOE sweep.. game over.. It's just absolutely ridiculous. I mean there is a reason why there are SO SO SO SO SOOO many Knights and Warriors in any given PvP.. and if not them.. it's a vangaurd or pyrotech now that is FOTM as well... I just don't see people complaining about it but I mean.. BE REASONABLE EA/BIOWARE ... you're giving the BIGGEST HIT IN THE GAME.. to what is suppposed to be a glass cannon!!! Or something killable at least.. but they aren't.. they go invisible.. they go IMMUNITY.. or they have almost 30K health ... and it's 6K AOE for god's sake! How is a Sniper or Gunslinger supposed to feel for example? It's single target .. take an ability with a huge cast time like Aimed Shot.. which is single target.. and it's absolute **** compared to Jedi Knight Sweep ... it MIGHT do 4500 Damage on ONE target.. where as the Knights and Siths are doing 6K AOE... Wow.. just wow.. the biggest hit in the game should always go to the SINGLE TARGET class with the longest cast time on their ability!! Always!! Instead you gave it to the **** you in the face melee jedi's and sith's who happen to also throw out 6K AOE's every 12 seconds or so just for fun. Who are practically invulnerable either do to gigantic HP or Invisibility + Immunity to damage etc.. AOE abilities should NEVER EVER EVER be the biggest hit in the game.. that should always go to Single Target / Long Cast time classes.. That's class balance 101.. which you obviously didn't take. It's been MONTHS.. no changes what so ever.. I don't see why I HAVE been paying to get rolled by teams of almost all warriors and pyrotechs.. I guess because I rolled one as an alt and have been having somewhat of a good time just destroying whoever i wish in PvP with no challenge or skill what so ever needed. But I don't want a game with basically just 1 or 2 viable classes.. I had to abandon my Commando long ago because they are so utterly useless and underpowered in game... then went sage because it's a ranged class.. got nerfed to ****.. maybe if I play my sentinel now they'll finally nerf them but i mean.. What the HELL took so long.. or i should say.. is taking so long..?? It's so blatantly obvious.. /sigh /facepalm /unsub and play for free in a few months when hopefully they've finally addressed it.. and if not.. at least i'm not paying for them to **** up anymore

Many Thanks to Talorra and Rhaphael for taking some time to answer questions and help out us newbies to crafting these items. It's much appreciated. We are probably ok with not doing the raiding and stuff.. flashpoints we think are AWESOME because it's just a regular party size.. no problem anyone can get a party together.. the ops are annoying to the smaller guilds like they always have been for raiding in mmorpg's But we PvP mostly so maybe it's not as important.. I'm probably wrong and the mods etc that you can pull from Black Hole gear you mentioned is way better than on War Hero .. I'll have to look more closely. But for now we seem to have the basic LVL 22 Augments down and are working towards that. Maybe the groupfinder will help us out in getting into OPS if we need to. 8) Thank you so much again for taking some time to respond!

Thanks for the info.. why does a site like TORHEAD put items that don't exist.. just serves to confuse people trying to learn even more. Honestly though there is like no info on this stuff anywhere.. it's so frustrating.. At the end of the day though we just need to make the mk-6 kits and the AUGMENTATIONS that give you +Mainstat and +Endurance.. When i INSPECT other players they all just say "AUGMENT 50" but their stats are different depending on what class the person I'm inpecting is. The stats are +12 Endurance, +18 Mainstat I'm not sure if the game just calls it AUGMENT 50 but it's really like an Advenced "whatever" Augment 22 What i really think it is is something like this: Advanced Resolve Augment 22 http://www.torhead.com/item/9Yax3pF/advanced-resolve-augment-22 which started as a green schematic resolve augment 22 and was REVERSE ENGINEERED into a purple.. Is that correct?? Because I haven't seen anyone which Augments any higher that that.. So does that mean that the Augments above level 22 don't exist?? That makes TORHEAD extremely annoying and misleading at this point. As far as joinging another guild.. we have been playing MMORPG's since Everquest 1 & Earth and Beyond games... we are all in our 30's more or less.. we like our small guild.. When games force us to form a bigger guild or to be more accurate, Don't ALLOW us to participate in game content without being in a huge guild, that's when we unsub... we love this game since beta though and we don't want to give it up but we will never join a guild full of strangers just to be able to PLAY the game... at that point it's alienating a large portion of their gamer base and that's just unfair. Anyway I didn't mean to go on a tangent there.. I tend to type too much... I appreciate the help.. and honestly I'm just frustrated at the complete lack of information or misleading information like items that don't even exist in the database at TORHEAD and other sites for example.. Or what looks like "Advanced Resolve Augment 22" augments saying "Augment 50" Instead of what it actually is that people are equipping. Everything seems to try to confuse people more than help them. I'm more than willing and HAVE spend many many hours reading and researching to try to learn these things but the info is just not there to learn. Unless someone has a source I haven't stumbled upon yet. Anyway I really appreciate the quick response and the help so far.. I'm going to assume that since I haven't seen anyone with Augments any higher than +12 Endurance, +18 Mainstat, that people are using [Advenced "whatever" Augment 22] and that the game is just calling it AUGMENT 50 when you inspect someone.. Therefore, any augment I see beyond augment 22 on TORHEAD and the like is just completely misleading and false information / doesn't actually exist... I THINK I'm on the right track as far as augments go anyway Thanks so much for reading through it all and helping me in any way you can. Right now other players are the only actual source of information and I'm lucky anyone is helping at all. Many Thanks.

I'm still a bit confused here. A couple of my guild mates and I are learning all the different crafting skills and we each have slicing. I leveled to 400 and only got ONE schematic that whole time for our armormech guildy. I heard you get schematics for augments etc from slicing but so far not really. Basically, we want to make the MK-6 augmentation kits which we know how to make, you just learn it from your trainer and get the mats needed. But more importantly we want to make the augments/mods.. specifically these... I'll just stick to willpower/sage stuff to give you the basic idea... eventually we want to be attaining/crafting these... how would we do that? So far slicing has only gotten us one shematic... the War Hero one it would make sense that I would have to pull out of a War Hero item I guess.. but the rest of them we really are clueless it seems. I've tried to go to TORHEAD like I linked below to get info but it gives you NO info as to how to get or craft any of these and nobody helps in game when we ask questions (unsurprisingly). Tried going to google and searched sooo many sites and guides but no info that way as well... can anyone help or point to a link with info would be greatly appreciated! Advanced Resolve Augment 25 :confused: http://www.torhead.com/item/g6wQTQe/advanced-resolve-augment-25 Advanced Mettle Mod 28 :confused: http://www.torhead.com/item/pp43vp/advanced-mettle-mod-28 War Hero's Adept Enhancement 28 :confused: http://www.torhead.com/item/4Uicfzj/war-heros-adept-enhancement-28 If we really do have to do OPS just to get the schematics for items which we then need to pull out the mods and hope to learn them at 20% success rate, then we are totally screwed.. we are a small family guild and there are only 5 of us, and really 3 regularly active right now

I'd also like some help here. I got slicing to 400 and only one schematic for armortech through the whole thing. How do I get the best schematics for the best augments etc??

So being unable to keep up with all the math. I still have a question. Would it be better to equip 2 War Hero Proc Relics? How would that work? Would only ONE go off or BOTH go off every 4.5 seconds? Would it be better to equip 2 War Hero Power based Relics?? Would it be best (assuming maybe that only one relic can proc at a time every 4.5 seconds) to have One of EACH?? I'm just trying to keep it simple 8p Thanks very much guys... mainly i'm confused by the idea of equiping 2 WH relics that Proc.. it says they share the same cool down so i'm thinking maybe that means only one procs at a time so it would be worthless to have two.. then again maybe power is better overall.. What would you guys recommend?

I've put countless hours into my 2 level 50 characters. I'm not in a million years going to start all over again. In fact 2 level 50's is quite odd for me. I really connect with my character that I've created. Even more in SWTOR since it's so story driven. I only created another one out of necessity of not having anything else to do for the abovementioned reasons. Starting all over again is not an option. I already put my time and effort into my character(s).

I love this game, I truely do. But I can't play it anymore, period. I have my level 50, several alts I've been forced to play basically because I can't do anything else most of the time. I log in and there are 3 people on Hadaar Soong Republic Fleet. /who bring up a whopping 26 players. Most of them under lvl 50. So I can't get a PvP going, I can't even find 3 people to do a Hard Mode Flashpoint if I wanted to (which I don't) So what's MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER about this game? I don't SEE ANY OTHER PLAYERS. I basically can't play the game at this point... I mean I'm logged in.. just sitting here... by myself.... ghost town. Unsubbed. If they give me more play time for free and free character transfers or something I'll consider coming back. It's a sad day for me honestly.

Any cybertech 400 peeps out there care to chyme in on which is better?? I still like the sounds of the SHOCKWAVE DEVICE because it has no limits on how many targets effected and anyone not getting attacked would stay stunned for 4 seconds which seems like a nice little stun. Doesn't do much damage though.... There has to be a reason the NEURAL SHOCK one does so little damage though? Even less than Showckwave Device's damage... But it only says stunned for a brief period of time, and only applies to 3 targets? I haven't used it ever so any comments? The other one that seems nice is Cryo-Grenade... it does 4 targets, and prevents movement for 5 seconds, or 2 seconds of the target gets attacked... but.. it would still allow targets to do damage and abilities it seems... the damage on it is average though, quite a bit more than the first two... The other two grenades seem more like straight up damage grenades, i'm a bit less interested in those.. I like the stun factor I think. What do you guys suggest, think? Thanks!

I'm assuming they fixed that in 1.1?? As it should be, having it the other way is total bs..

Is this still the case as of latest 1.1 ? I seem to remember reading something about needing lvl 400 biochem etc.. I'm guessing they fixed it so we can't all just roll 400 in cyber/bio and have reusable everything.

Thought about that as well but she has her character on there as well that's she's obviously attached to, plus it's her account details.. more importantly, it's a boxed Collector's Edition (I bought us both boxed Collector's Editions) and his account is a digital deluxe via Origin... Either way just didn't seem right, it's her account, not his, he was just trying out the game to see if he liked it since he hasn't really played an MMO since Galaxies. We brought him back with the new Star Wars game!! Yay! 8p Has to start all over again though now it looks like... , not so yay...

Yeah I didn't see much harm in letting him try out the game on her account. He hasn't actually bought and subscribed for an MMORPG since SW: Galaxies!! But he really liked it and actually bought the game and set up his own account so I figured BioWare would appreciate that He bought and set up his account yesterday and already got his email for early access so it's not like he really bypassed much there either. He basically got in right away after buying his copy and setting up the account. Anyway thanks for all the input. I assumed as much but we can hope right? You know how you can get attached to your characters... I certainly get attached to mine so he's a little gutted at the thought of starting again. At least it's not toooo bad though. Could be worst than lvl 14 I think

My friend made a character on my fiance's account and liked the game so much that he got his own account! But he doesn't want to have to start all over again, he is level 14 smuggler. Is there any way we can transfer his character that he plays with to his actual account now? He really doesn't want to start all over again. Thanks.