Nevertheless it was a casual random flirt post all the Yavin 4 and SoR content, and Lana over here basically admitting she's been fantasizing about it lmao

Some of it's definately not imagination. An unflirted with Lana is kinda canonically inlove with the PC. If you flirt with her for the first time ever in KOTET casually she says "I must admit the thought has crossed my mind a few times", and there are quite a few times when her remarks and mannerism following said remarks do seem to be a little subtle flirtation. She's deff pushed on the player as LIl if only slightly more than the others lol

Meh, I take solace in what we had for the time we had it. I don't expect any arc in this mmo to ever be good again. Or any group of characters to rival the trio dynamic we got since our first ventures into SoR years ago or even any of the class specific companions. We're past the prime. Only reason i'm still subbed at this point is that it's basically my off hours to FFXIV and waiting on that next expansion after how amazing Shadowbringers was WHOM MANAGED TO NOT KILL A SINGLE CORE CHARACTER and still managed to be one of the highest rated expansions of the past few years.

What made the vette or torian choice worse was the fact that some of us saved Arcann and Senya and had them with us. And it took all 3 of you to kill like 5 little soldiers to save Vette or Torian when the party easily could have split up and saved both LMAO. Bioware loves unecessary deaths that could have easily been prevented. I think all the deaths were an attempt to reset the board and not have to write much for a lot of them. KOTET came out and they had introduced so many companions constantly swapping them in and out to the point even the core companions were starting to feel underused. But they screwed up. They made a big mistake, the companions were better than some of the actual core story content that was going on, and was the drive for a lot of people's continued interest in the severely bad writing. To be fair, you are underestimating Theron here. He is way above Lana's pay grade. He was an elite spy with the highest honors in the republic. Before he even met the commander or Lana he had already been a hero taking out his own superweapon, defeating sith lords etc etc (it's in the book). Not to mention when Lana got him captured on Rishi he literally saved himself before you had even gotten there. Simply put I don't blame Lana for not catching on to him, Theron is simply too good. He's the one companion on the team who was basically already a superhero protagonist on his own, hence his lonewolf antics. Her sith training also wouldn't have helped since he was trained as a Jedi and canonically resist mind tricks. But yeah she does suck as "sith intelligence". Valid point with the Koth situation.

It was indeed a tough choice for me, probably the toughest choice in this game for me. It wasn't like Theron, when they had that option to leave Theron I was like ARE YOU *********** KIDDING GAME, you literally just told me every 5 seconds that he was innocent, and I clicked so hard on the lightside option even on my dark side characters as it was ridiculously stupid to off one of your closest best friends who built everything with you, saved you multiple times and literally went against his own father (for imperial players) for you. Like, he was supposed to be the traitor, but in that moment that decision makes it like you're the traitor betraying someone looking out for you. But with Vette and Torian I had to sit on the screen for a while and actually hit ESC after the decision multiple times. On one hand I liked Vette more. Sith warrior was one of my original characters so I had more time with vette, never ran the class that gets Torian. So the bias characterwise was already there. So then I had to look at it from a useful standpoint. Which was still hard. Because they tried hard to make both Vette and Torian useful up until that choice. Torian assists you on several missions prior and comes in clutch, but so does Vette during the "heist" mission and again on lokath. So both had their uses, and you were losing something by killing either one. But in the end, the bias for Vette and all those adventures we went on as an acolyte and twi'lek against the galaxy outweighed everything Spoiler, I love Vette way more than I do Lana, poor Torian didn't really stand a chance. I still feel bad

I wish we could see statistics on who killed who. I know damn well the percentage of people who actually killed Vette or Theron has to be very small, and if they keep these characters on lock and key because of a 2% of people who killed them rather than acknowledge the majority who didn't me: Literally one of my most joyous moments during the whole empire saga was seeing Vette pop up alive out of nowhere and doing missions with her. She made some of those annoying go to this corridor > kill 988495879374 minions > repeat experiences much better. Just like part of Lana's endearment was her interactions with Theron and their chemistry, and if that's gone for good also: As for Koth he angered me a bit during the empire saga, mostly because of his lack of care for the commander and the tragedies him/her and crew went through. But I guess i'm just more forgiving than others. Koth still had worth, he pretty much fixed the ship basically, and he atleast tried to apologize for his past apologist behavior. I still kept him alive despite some of his comments. I'm just the type that doesn't kill companions unless they truly can't be salvaged or turn totally against you. I mean even sacrificing Torian was hard for me. Not because I liked him so much, I mean I favored Vet. But I saw Torian's worth. He had a good head on his shoulders, and he really came through in some of those later missions, especially when he got a walker for you. Honestly, I felt that whole choice felt too soon, was too rushed for a character just beginning for some of us.

Honestly they ****ed up pretty bad when they started making core alliance characters killable, especially the core personalities in the alliance ESPECIALLY for the most idiotic reasons.....Vette, Theron. Having to sacrifice Vette or Torian when it was super easy to send either Arcann or Senya (if you saved them) to help one while you helped the other or you know send literally anyone else in the alliance, like what were they all doing? Are you kidding me? Senya literally bested Vailyn earlier in the game, and Arcann nearly killed you. The two of them together would have been more than enough to stop either Torian/Vette from dying. And Theron, having the option to kill him after the story literally laid out for you that he wasn't a traitor. The writing was so bad, it made both Lana and Commander seem bipolar, wanting to kill Theron after they acted so worried that he was hurt, and basically washed around 6 years of character relationship building down the drain by making it worthless. The fact that Arcann stood up for Theron harder than Lana ruined her character for me as well. Idc what you did for Arcann, him being a bigger cheerleader towards a character than someone who has worked with him for almost a decade, and has more chemistry with him (did arcann ever even say one word to Theron?) is just nonsense. It just weakened the alliance arc more and more to the point it's like who cares about the alliance anymore. None of the new characters introduced in Onslaught are really interesting. FFXIV has gone several expansions without killing any of it's core team characters, and these characters have only improved and developed even better with each xpac to the point I can't imagine going into a new XIV xpac without even one of them, or not seeing how they develop. Killing is just a poor substitute for bad writing in most cases, atleast in Bioware cases. Nathema already ****ed up the main trio dynamic to the point I don't even care about the alliance. Let it all burn. But you make a very valid point, people can say "Oh well, you can choose whether or not these characters live or die", which is true, but the fact that the option exist puts them in a state where they can never be like they were. There are reasons characters like Senya, Theron, Vette etc can never come back in a significant way or be featured in anything promotional and that is due to the option of giving them the boot, and you're right the majority of the core characters are now in that state, with no one introduced as strong as them which has created a problem.

She shouldn't want to do that, given that Lana has spent the same amount of time with Theron as she did you enough to want to save him as much as you, even the 5 years you were out they worked together, you're right but Bioware writing. Again she almost seems bipolar in that scene, so does the commander. They both are worried about Theron when he gets hurt, but magically change their feelings in a few minutes to YOU DIE NOW. Honestly the kill ending kinda ruins both Lana and Commander as characters, as it makes them both seem illogical, insane and heartless, and manages to make several years of time together mean nothing to the trio. Illogical because why in the hell would you still call Theron a traitor after all the evidence to the contrary? You have to willfully be in denial and ignore everything to say that. Again I ask. WHO WROTE THAT RUSHED ENDING lmao, the more I analyze it, the dumber it becomes. It makes zero sense that Arcann of all people defended Theron harder than Lana

lol there will never be a new class in this game.

He does, as stated. Theron was already an accomplished seasoned Agent with the highest honors attainable in the republic, before he joined our Commander's adventures against Revan and the Eternal Empire he had already destroyed his first Doomsday weapon. That's why I hate how rushed Nathema was. It should have showed off more how in control and intelligent he was and how he knew what he was doing, then put the pieces of the puzzle together for the player, clearer. Infact it would have been even cooler if they had Theron ultimately end the order's schemes by himself as it would not have only showed as it did in the book how he was a solo hero in his own right before joining a team. But it also would have been a nice little call back to the time you went to rescue him but he had already escaped on his own without your help. Lana got to storm the castle to release you from carbonite. Would have been cool for Theron to have his own shining moment of handling the Nathema situation on his own. It would have been in character, and would have made his lonewolf antics a lot more justified. A very missed opportunity for a rushed arc. And yeah, Theron made most of the alliances connections in addition to being the one to find out about the Star Forges and was the one there walking you through all their stations. And this is one of the things I will miss the most him being the "intel guy" on the microphone, and his commentary. It made going through waves of droids and troopers a lot more tolerable. But I doubt this will be his role going forward knowing that option exist for him, which sucks.

People are too judgy about the Nathema situation. And part of that is due to how rushed it was so can't fault people entirely. They forget he's an elite spy, and this wasn't the first super weapon he found and was responsible for destroying. He was already a hero in his own right before his adventures with the Commander. The only thing to fault him for was his lone wolf antics. But make no mistake without Theron, the Order would have found that super weapon and the Aliance/Republic would be clueless about it if not for him. If anyone is a hero besides the Commander it's Theron, in his lifetime he was directly responsible for the destruction of 3 super weapons capable of destroying multiple planets in the galaxy and everyone on it. That's what probably irks me the most about the kill option, and the treatment by some people. He's done the most for the alliance and galaxy, more than Lana even. But doesn't get the credit because not a as you say wUw waifu. And yeah, the Nathema situation would have been very interesting for Lana. But they can't risk giving her more depth than the resident sith qt who agrees with everything the commander says

"The only companion who has been through everything with you", uh you're forgetting Theron and T7 for Jedi Knights who are also with you regardless of side (well not T7). Dude even stood by Lana despite her literally setting him up to get tortured by the revanites. He literally goes against his own father and the republic for you if you side with the Imperials. Lets us not forget, the Alliance would be nowhere without Theron. He; provided most of the alliance's intel, established most of your connections, recruited most of the people you needed, was responsible for the intel on the star forges and literally held your hand through every single one of them. Has saved you and the galaxy multiple times (even before you knew him he saved the galaxy and destroyed a super weapon in his book which is the reason he has the highest medal possible from the republic before meeting you). On top of all this, he kept your favorite ship while you was sleep. And yet he still got a kill option despite trying to save you and the galaxy yet again in that instance as well. So Lana can get one too if they want to pull random dumb evil choices out the *** like they did with Theron LOL

I've only seen the rare edgelord gloating about killing him lol. Never get those kind of people. But people are harsher toward human male characters for some reason, and very unforgiving towards them than they are attractive female characters even when they did so much for the MC as a character like Theron did, all that goes out the window with one transgression. Male characters on the team can never make a mistake otherwise, they're cancelled. It doesn't help when Bioware has the tendency to always try and annihilate the characters of their males like what they did with Natheema. Meanwhile Lana, the actual sith never gets any reason to question her at all (though she made some questionable choices in SoR which never had any impact or consequence). This isn't the first time Bioware has done this, and it needs to stop. They always find a way to sabotage the male LI lol

Blonde chick Cutesy British accent Woman, primary straight male LI Pretty much the only reason she's so forced, and that alone keeps her safe even despite having little development or backstory compared to Theron. The fact that she shows up so much in scenes instead of Theron even when you romanced him, EVEN when you're a Repub character who has spent more time with Theron than Lana (Lana is pretty much a cold character during SoR for Repub characters) was ridiculous. I don't hate Lana at all, but she should not have been pushed so front and center in a dynamic of two different opinionated characters, it should have been balanced, and she definately shouldn't have been the one showing up so much for Repub/romanced Theron players. That ending was absolute crap for Theron, a character who put so much into the alliance and saved the MC so many times to be paid dust like that for all his work. Even the good (and probably canon) choice of letting him live is not so great, as you can also make him leave. And this also makes Lana's character seem bipolar, as when he's struck she's so worried about him, and if you leave him, she protest to you that if you leave he'll die. But if you make him leave, she still acts cold towards him which was weird. But yeah all around weird decision for a character that had a whole book written about him and comics compared to the none that Lana had. He had the most backstory, and the most connection to in-game characters (Statele, Revan, Jace Malcom). Lana never had any real connection with the characters in the game besides Koth and Senya off-screen I guess. Guess the writer just needed an excuse not to have to write for Theron anymore. Anyway, I wonder whom actually hates Theron? as in enough to warrant the devs implementing that, his thread is one of the most posted in here, and if you go on any of the "leave theron" videos you have even all the dark side players posting comments about how they could never do that. So I wonder what went on in the writers head to give that option since it seems not even the pure DS players majority agree with it. Even they see how dumb it was.

I'm STILL mad about the BS option in Nathema years later lol. After all the proof you had laid bare, and they have that option? Total disrespect for a character who has been there from the start and frankly, helped build the alliance and save your arse even more times than Lana. To be treated that way?

God, you just reminded me how horribly botched the whole Nathema thing was, you spend all that time beating the player over the head hint after hint that it's not real, even have other characters defending him, and for them to still have that option in the end knowing the truth? Makes your character look/sound stupid whether they're LS or DS. Seriously who signed off on that option? lmao Not like they weren't forcing Lana already lmao even when you romanced Theron, at points in the story like when you woke up from your dream Lana was the first face you saw and i'm like damn, does Theron ever spend time with the person he's with? I love you Lana but please skooch over. But are you sure "canon-wise" he shouldn't be there? I don't think that option would be canon, especially if you consider the fact if you skip over the Nathema content and jump right to onslaught he's still there. Pretty sure if there was a canon it'd be the forgive option as that's what makes the most sense to begin with given how hard that plot tried to make you aware about the truth, it's a pure illogical DS choice to take the second option, a choice there just for the hell of it or thrill But yeah I get your meaning, where there were two balanced advisors, this gives them the opportunity to use only one as the default for all the alliance briefings, all the rescues etc, Lana. Of course in typical Bioware fashion the male LI got the short stick. Which is annoying and sucks. I liked having two different opinions, now they have to make Lana into some bland neutral character who just agrees with everything the commander suggest because of what they did to the republic one and now she has to make up for that loss and seem unbiased Simply put, they handled a core advisor character poorly, only Theron was more than just an advisor, but pretty much the backbone of the alliance. He made most of the connections, got most of the contacts and recruits, helped build it from the ground up, provided much of the intel, even was the one involved in the taking out of the star fortressea. An integral part of the faction, him gone the alliance is missing a piece and some of it's flavor, might as well go back to Republic vs Empire now. Need to take lessons from FFXIV, they have survived several expansions with the same advisor characters and core team alive and well, and have managed to keep them compelling throughout every expansion they have only gotten better. It's not hard. Nathema conspiracy was so lazy, and a piss poor exit for a long time advisor character

Shouldn't be too difficult FFXIV already has this feature, along with replaying story quest even for the smaller quest/content, and that game is HEAVY on cutscenes and dialogue. So if they can get it done, this can too