Wow. It's just so wild to see such a long thread for what I didn't realise was a more detailed romance than I thought! So some thoughts. I have often thought about the Arcann romance for various reasons. Now my Jedi is a lesbian and is married to Lana. She had to break it off with Doc on his return(very hard, But In some respects.. "I apologise... I am actually married to a woman I am gay" is a lighter letdown for an ex husband then some routes. I opened the door just enough so I could have all the cards put on the table with Kira even though the conversation WAS heartbreaking. Since my Jedi is basically someone who was closeted and romancing Doc while Kira was her padawan. Arcann... woo. That man made me cry. There was so much emotion in that 2 minute conversation when he gives you that armour. I wore that armour as part of a set for the next 6 months. I know haters come down on the horrid things he did as Ruler but War is different than Peace time. And Even if we as Eternal Commander or Erernal Alliance didn't cut a swathe though the galaxy we have probably piled up a lot of bodies ourselves. So I am thinking he could be the one to grab my "Evil" Agent's heart as he and his brothjer(DS smuggler) were both gentically created and messed with by Imperial powers to be superior forms. Although they are both apparently dark skinned Humans they suspect they may even have non human DNA and are kind of mad at the world. I really like the idea that Arcann would be the one to soften my character. Irl I am also a lesbian but his voice is just amazing. There is so so much emotion in it. And I can't believe I am gonna have to go through that convo 7 more times at least... well probably more. I'm just not comfortable ever skippin kotfe and kotet. Too many choices that are unique to characters. My LS Jedi made unusual choices that would NOT have been the default ones and even my evil characters are almost all very anti "removal of free will" so anything involving Slavery or the like. But just wanted to say hello and will probably drop some updates once I have a romance with Arcann as this thread has shown me it is much more than just a 3 minute cutscene.

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Watch Clone Wars again while waiting. or Bob's Burgers. If a psychotic little girl with pink bunny ears doesn't brighten yer day nothin will.

He's just mad because he doesn't want to look like Theron Shan. Or he doesn't want to look fancy in the ceremonial dress. Or he doesn't realize the advanced slicer armour looks really good without the helmet. I could go on but you could make a pretty decent outfit just with Theron and the Slicer's set. Honestly the slicers set is worth buying for the boots. Theron runs 8-9k and looks great as is. the other two normally run 1k.

I think this would be a great idea. They could also make a "Old Masters" decoration set or even just a Vrook statue. Ed Asner recently passed and I think a commemorative staue or holo of some sort would be fab.

I would also really love it if we could have personnel and companions sit. "Peladona's Hideout" has a vip lounge that gives a bird's eye view if Hexid and her band. Eventually I'll put more people in there but I would really love if I could have some bird people and talz relaxin on the sofas watchin Deathshed Extermination play.

This. It's got the big Lucasfilm logo and the original reason for TOR stories was a lot more freedom with events. Same as High Republic era although High Republic is much more extreme as its buildin from ground up almost. That said, it would not be difficult at all to make the remake canon with the few small tweaks here and there that will come with a remake. I personally would love if they canonised Revan as genderless. Keep the basic gameplay mechanics but have it be once they got their memory back and 'became Revan' again that their gender was lost to the ages. Somethin about someone who was light and dark and of unknown gender would be really cool. Revan will always be female to me as 'she' is to many others who played Revan as a woman on their playthrough.

Yer welcome. And compendiums are totally valid if you have the funds. It's so nice just having 'one' 50 so it's a great option if you get a smokin deal on dark projects or can craft em:) I know some did the same thing with the +critical craftin mods but although the othe ones work... the +criticals benefit seems a lot smaller than it looks.

I appreciate the advice but unfortunately that takes piles of money. this just takes stuff I am doin anyway. although I AM lookin into that as DPs SELL for said piles of money. For my playstyle I would likely be better off craftin DPs and sellin them:) But this also is useful for gettin multiple characters up based on random drops and missions. even if I just close the 6-8 missions I have waitin when I log in it makes a difference. And if they 'love' or favourite delicacies/maintenance it IS super fast. I normally just do 10+ gift givin while watchin SVU or Elementary.

This. Tech fragments drop from a lot of content but once you have multiple 75s it gets very frustrating when certain content doesn't give anythin but xp. Renown is neat but I would love it if heroics and large conquest objectives even just gave 2 fragments. Nickel and dime ye to riches.

If a mission gives my companion 280 influence points I get 330 with the 9 2.00% mods. missions that give 57 give me 67 and so forth.

As sad as it may seem to some of you.... I will use a loadout for companion gifts. I spent what could have 2-3 hours across characters making a 7 piece set woth 2.00 influence mods. and a weapon for each weapon type aka blaster rifle and 2 guns... and 2 one handed sabers. And every character has a moddable offhand....also with 2.00% influence. I am very... influential. (and considering a 280 influence mission awards 330 it really adds up) But havin to change the gear manually is never fun which has also stopped me from tankin and healin. If they introduce a new combat style they should create a new class story.

I still love the idea of a really messed up Jedi. Facing down a sith... getting ready for the Duel.. "You have met yer match Jedi!" Jedi(who has either T7 or Nadia) pulls out a blaster and burns a hole in his chest. Some how T7 starts crying in horror. "What? He was gonna kill us." There's a scene very similar to this where u control a sith and make him bow. I thought you were gonna capture him.... But you melt his head with your lightsaber and execute him. Kira just stares at you. "Oh I am not saying anything against you now. Don't worry"

Although I wish I hadn't changed his customization(seein Vector go from Black Killik to white and non killik is a little jarring) the scene with Vector dekjoining himself to be alone with his lover(Imperial Agent) is really affecting and emotional.

My chiss, Peri'Chenka'Sevateem (known as Chenka per Chiss namin convention) Has a wife who is a Zabrak bounty hunter. Also her wife is force sensitive but untrained. I discovered that if you dress Darth hexid in heavy armour and give her a tech staff (or have her weaponless) She'll fight normal and all and every once in awhile her hands glow purple. Works perfect if you want a bodyguard or a Mandalorian bestie.

Although it can take a LONG time... I made myself a influence suit and it made that so much less tedious. After readin a post here I went to fleet/Lower Coruscant and just bought the 600 credit refundable gear until it got 1.8 or better influential. It's a little tedious but it's free. And rippin out the mods and puttin them in a legacy suit costs maybe 100 a piece. so even if you dual wield and use both weapons at msot it will cost maybe 1000 credits to make your gear suit. If I know I am travelin with someone for a long time I try to get them to 25+ before I do any conversations.

Nail-- Head. One of the amazing time sinks in this game is really kitting out a companion. And by that I mean findin a great outfit. Arik Jorgen looks really bad in his base Havoc armour. But there are a lot of sets and dyes where he looks great. Elara is the same. One time I had her in a blue green dyed outfit probably intended for Sith Lords. Also Kira's base outfit looks better if you just remover her skirt. The 'shorts' match the colour scheme of her outfit better than the dress. Also gives her a Olympic gymnast feel. And then there's that one Body Horror cybernetics outfit. Makes any character look more interesting. It's why to this day I hate Nico and Arcann as companions. If you can't put Nico in a tank top and shorts and keep the cowboy hat what's the point?

No. When they did it before it really messed with the narrative. Even though I wasn't around back then the only thing that bugs me is I think HK and the ship drid should still HAVE armour. I understand you could kit your ship droid into a craftin god. And the numerous customs for HK make up for the pile of parts you get. We know there is some janky coding in 1.0. They had to remove kill options from characters because they were all marked as healer, tank, or damage. It also meant you couldn't customize em as much or it must have been a pain. I have Havok Squad all in mostly the same outfit which is a empty CM outfit. 7-8 clicks and maybe a dye pack and they are done. Damage for OP, Tank when I might die, and Healer when I will definitely die. There's still a few holdovers like Shae for damage and Z00m for healin. And HK should still have his terminate ability but No. I have a 42 Kira and a 33 Senya. I can use em both for heals if I have to. Otherwise I would be stuck with (shudders) DOC.

hmmm and I was just sellin 2000 credit decorations for 75000. if I can make 75 million... ooh. Or I can just rememrber to make level 10 purple gear that goes for ridiculous prices fro some reason. But yeah there are so many things I make that I just don't bother to use myself... especially crazy min max stuff.

Although I can see arguments for many a class... especially DS ones that accepeted Valk's power.. A smuggler beating him in the same scenario I did as a Jedi is wild. And I think for non force classes they should have had more in the fight. Like have Arcann scream in distress "HOW... are there THREE of you????" Or even state that all of the Force Users in the Alliance gave you a portion of their power for that fight. Or have the smuggler say "Simple. I'm an amazing shot and I stayed on his bad eye so he couldn't see me. Easy as takin candy from a baby hutt" and have everyone just kind of stare at him. Lana could storm off and say "FINE. If you don't want to tell us just say so!"

That's kind of beautiful.

You make an excellent point here. I think the heavy choice factor would still keep it healthy but considering SWTOR HAS been close to death once or twice I think you are right. I got so into KOTOR on my tablet that I started this game. After I left due to a aggressive bully named after the god of war... you might be surprised why I came back. But no you wouldn't. I was watching Star Wars and I wanted to play in that world again. and I came back so I could live Star Wars. I came back recently both because of the 6.3 announcement AND because of how much fun Bad Batch is. It's also fun to play a game that doesn't feel like you are living a movie... But creating your own. And even though I might not get out there and actually interact with other players as my character... I get to escape and be and explore multiple characters. I cannot began to describe how much fun it is to create your own worlds and reasons for why your character acts how they do. It's actually increased my enjoyment of a lot of class stories. My trooper... She escaped from her home planet in a stasis pod. Mere months after her coronation at age 16 a fleet from the Empire attacked the royal city as part of a slavery run. Everyone who didn't escape was chained and sold into slavery or gunned down for resisting. She and her 22 year old Handmaiden/sister/best friend got separated from the rest of the escapees and crashed onto Tython where a member of the council got them into an unused Coruscant apt for visiting Jedi. She got them Coruscant citizen papers as Sisters and (queen) Peladona and Iris have lived there ever since. Dona enrolled in the military at 19 as although she and Iris had shown some Force sensitivity she thought becoming an enlisted person would help her continue to adjust to her new life. As well as pay back.. Bot for the help of the Council and... for her Father's death and not knowing where the thousands of escape pods ended up or where her captured people ended up. To me that's a pretty wild and unusual backstory for a Trooper and genuinely makes every choice I make as a light side trooper nore interesting. It also would make great sense for her to train as say a sniper or even an operative as for 16 years of her life she was being raised to work with a ruling council, command a small military, and try to work alongside the people she governed. not to make this any longer but on the force side my ls Jedi is classic LS but was also shot down on Taris and after losing a leg and her hand had to work with a marauder to jot onlly get each other out of the wreckage but survive together for several months. So that factors into the choices too. And you almost have to create a backstory even if u keep it light. Because some of the DS decisions are dumb as are some of the LS decisions. It helps if you give your character a personality. Even if they are a murder machine they're still may be things they aren't ok with.

Thank you I appreciate it. I ended up not enjoying my male trooper but I made a delightful Male pureblood inquisitor and a male zabrak smuggler. Both are very bi and I am looking forward to them both having relationships with Theran and Koth. And my smuggler is definitely going to romance Arcann. I am hopeful for the game's future and am actually enjoying the Doc amd Jedi Knight relationship to my surprise'(

Oh hey I never thought of it that way. I'm a gay woman and I made a Mirialan male trooper as I heard Elara is one of the better romances in the game. It feels odd both Playing him and I know it will feel odd romancing her but I'm still interested. However, when I read the description of Koth in wiki I gor really excited about romancing him with my male trooper. But not with any of my female characters. I'm excited about Lana for them because I'm not new to mmos but am to swtor. And I am very very gay. But playing two men in a romance and the Koth character is actually something I was surprised to be looking forward to and it may even lead me to make another male character. I think you are dead on right that people who are an orientation can and should be able to enjoy both aspects of it. I would also say controlling the male vesus the female in a m/f relationship wouldn't be as different as me controlling a bloke in a bloke bloke relationship versus two women. Now I still think it's silly that original release didn't have that option, especially with the known quantity that lots of people play characters of the opposite gender to them but I think they are really unable to do anything with the original content. I heard Kaliyo was originally supposed to be a bisexual character and I think that's why you can flirt with her in the new content but she reveals she can't really be serious with women. I think it's because they have enough residual programming to put in the flirts but can't do a romance because the code just isn't there. Sure I'm not thrilled about it but rewriting code can be a nightmare and a half especially depending how the code is set and how dependent it is on other coding. In the meanwhile they are making a conscious effort to include them moving forward. I would have liked to have a second female character to romance but I am very pleased that they actually have two men for men to romance as Blokes who love Blokes don't often get a choice like that. And there's still more characters to come back. They may be unable to create a romance but perhaps there will be some dialogue options to fuel your internal character sheet while your heart aches for one of your boys or Lana. The last thing I will say is for me it also gives better flexibility for my internal story. My Jedi and Sith Warrior's non "Hero of the whole TOR Universe" stories have them having a complicated romance with each other. But in my Knight's story she is growing super close to Kira, trying to heal her, making aure she knows Ronika(my jk) doesn't judge her for her past and although there may be some romantic chemistry it's not something Ronika is comfortable with with Kira at this point. Also, once the COE reveal is dropped Kira is more established as Ronika's padawan and that combined with Kira needing support makes the romance not something I would approach yet. My LS Sith Warrior is the same way in her "Hero of the whole TOR Universe" story. Vette is still technically a uncollared, well treated slave. Although I treat her unusually well(and in my story they have long talks every night and have beds ony a foot or so apart in my stronghold)the romance is a little dicey. Would I have done the romance witj them if it was there? Likely. Would I have started it and decoded not to continue then get scared at the obssessiveness that happens when you pause a romance? More Likely! ---------------------------- In Summary or the hated "TLDR" I think Estelindis is spot on that someone who is hetero should be able to enjoy and engage in hetero in game romance without issue. I have weirdness about playing a male character but am very excited about the male male romances in the later expansions. I am more excited about romancing Lana as a woman because I'm a lesbian but both are something I am really looking forward to! I think Kaliyo was able to do ss flirts because of residual coding from earlier builds of the game. This gives us an insight into the coding issues for them to make the original companions romanceable. And although I avoid spoilers the scene with Kaliyo is very sweet and endearing and not only gives Ms. Djannis a lot of depth but shows she really cares about you. And I read the scene as her also being very respectful of your orientation. I've made my peace with BioWare's original F-up. From waht I have read there are lots of rumours that the companions would have been romanceable by both genders in the original build. But BioWare was pressured to take that possibility away. They are doing the right thing now, and that's really important. As long as we get two new blokes and TWO main women in expansion 6.0 I'll be very happy. And I'm a lesbian with no interest in men whatsoever but I am still excited about my Two blokes in Love future TOR story.