Hey, Dusk! Got it! I will misbehave for both of us! Gratz! Wait... You had BH last time, no? Oh, Dusk, you change your toons faster then I edit my posts! The one that Vaylin bombed? Give us 30 seconds of Arcann in next update and this tread will be on fire . My job is done here! *flyes away

Bah. I am sure my SI can get a foot-rub by other means. How do you say it? You scratch my back, I scratch yours . And I am sure Esh PC do not even have to ask... Just suggest... ^_^. Edit: Come to think... What can you possibly want from a BF you can only get by bringing his dead sister back to life?

Yay! <3 Wait what? Seriously? Males. First, they decide that being hit over the head with the proper cast iron frying pan is no fun. So they open the borders to capitalism to replace said reliable frying pans with a Teflon lightweight... something. And then they miss a good old Grandma heirloom so much that they are ready to join the Cult of crazy Dark Side Lady! Don't look at me! I am hardwired to like broad shoulders, narrow hips and no lumps of fat in chest area . Vaylin is the total opposite of that, is she not? And her lovely personality will not make up for that . Here, I talked about Arcann, so it is on topic . Mmmm.

What? Why it is always us? I know we are cool, but come on... What happened to presumption of innocence? Edit: I would love to get a slice of "Russian hackers pie" btw. I heard there are good money in it and at least I will not be blamed without being guilty . Where can I apply?

Hmm, replacing the shield with Valky Force powers works pretty well in my head... New headcannon!

Well, well! Next poster with a need to express their disdain at Arcann will get a fruit basket. They never fail to spark a conversation . Then there is no content, Hive flourishes on idle speculations, fan-fiction, head-cannons, critique*, “he is a monster” posts and salt . Oh... Are we Dark Side entity? Like Sel Makor? I seen good one, but mostly it is same old, just expressed in different ways. Speaking of shields... What if PC used that Valkoryon Force shield in place of the Knight one (with appropriate animations)? Would it not be slightly less “what, whyyyyyy” moment?

Hive approves! Hmm, compared to whom?

I suspect very bored? Now, Eshvara, be a good Arcannite and share your opinion on Iheaca last question, please . if you have time and desire .

He have no outfit slots. BW knew their gamers too well. “You... Do not touch my armor!” *Waves at Dusk Dusk, as a thank you, I demand a wall of text of your own thoughts on this tread subject . Then/if you will have time and desire of course .

Mary Sue have many faces. Sometimes they can even be fun (like Charname in many BW games). But there are certain traits that always make them to stand out and annoy. Little Ani also had some time to practice too. And he never actually crossed the finish line before Jedi shown up. And Little Ani character caught a lot of flack because of his incredible luck. In any case, if one character had a lot of Gary Stu traits, should we justify another character having a lot of Mary Sue traits on the basis of “it have been done before”? Of course it is not horrible for a fictional character to be gifted. But what if this talented person shows a new trick to an old cook while making his signature dish, manages to do a Revoltade/540 on the second try and delivers a much better performance then an equally talented actor who had years to perfect his craft? And they understand a not so common language. I always sing a lullaby to my willing suspension of disbelieve then it comes to Force, but in Rey's case it just stares back at me with wide open eyes . She is loyal and she seeks a place to belong? This are her flaws? How many times have you seen this: “She was multi-talented, everything come naturally to her, but she was shy. And not a very good cook.” I was thinking that Disney SW movie will have different standards from fanfiction... Who am I kidding? I read better fanfics! Well, at least she have not jumped to the call immediately and was afraid. There is one very important ingredient that was missing – if a flaw is exposed and exploited, there are consequences. In his second movie Luke rushes without thinking to save his friends. He almost dies, survives by a sheer dumb luck (the Force), had to be saved and looses a hand. In her second movie Rey rushes without thinking to redeem Kylo and she... hmm. Gets mind probed (yes, that did hurt) for Luke location (but he dies anyway), got smacked on her head with a lightsaber (how... humiliating), kicks some major *** (ermmm) and escapes (on her own). We do not even see her staring at unconscious Kylo, thinking about all the pain and suffering he will cause and, like Luke, being tempted to end it in one cut. Yeh. Sometimes she have to give it another try? I would be saying same things about Roy. Or Anakin. I disliked that one a lot before the Clone Wars gave him some flesh. Am I judging Rey too quickly or harshly? Maybe. Am I that wrong to label Rey as Mary Sue? Who knows. But I think that she is boring, annoying, have too many talents and as a result unrelatable. Luke did not passed his torch to her, she was replacing him so fast, that she was the one grieving for Han! “Who is this girl, tell me everything about her!” - sounds eerily familiar too. Another very important thing (for me at least) - LJ story being... what it was, I just could not help but to get into critical W T F mode. Maybe you are correct and I am so annoyed by all inconsistencies, lack of logic, green milk and plain bad writing of LJ that I am too harsh. But I am not the only one, yes? Hmmm. What about Ashoka Tano? She is extraordinary, is she not? She started annoying and cocky (and it was expected - she was a kid), but she grown and evolved. Or Hera Syndulla. Loved her. Do you know, have they been slapped with any labels? P.S. If anyone would tell me that I will like SW cartoon much more then a SW movie... This is almost embarrassing.

Hmm, lets try. I do not wish to bore you, so lets go over only one argument. I will try to be as objective as I can . Lets compare Luke training to Rey training. Both are prodigies, so they are very fast. I suspect that a good rebuttal was as convincing to me as this poor one was for you . But this is the price we pay for echo chambers .

I do not melt that easy . It was my experience with Force Awakens and Last Jedi. Lot's of why. Why Finn have not slapped Rose then she doomed all the Resistance (or is it Rebels). Why Holdo did not admit to Leya that she chosen a wrong moment to teach Poe a lesson about hope and that him gambling the Rebels survival (or is it Resistance) is at least partially due to her own inaction. Why Rey defeated Luke. Why, why, why... So I took a look at what creators of LJ say about critique they received. It was... suprising. It all adds up . As JennyFlynn said: Poe and Holdo: In my eyes Holdo have been arrogant and was thinking too much then it was time to do something. I do find her leading and teaching styles strange. “Hope is like a sun”. What does it have to do with being a good leader? Or having a plan of action? Or trusting others? Or thinking before rushing in? Could she not teach Poe a lesson without pushing desperate people to mutiny? Or was she silent so Finn and Rose can go to that casino to find the slicer? So Rose can teach Finn some very important lessons, free the animals and "hurt them"? By the way, who will get punished for letting animals escape? Adorable child slaves? Who will clean up all that mess? Other slaves? Who Rose and Finn did hurt? What happened to "thinking about consequences of your actions" Holdo lesson? It all adds up .

Ouch, man! The burn! I am melting! Jokes aside, lucky you.

Wait, L337 is not a brick to the face parody of worst aspects of SJW?! What the... No. No! Please, no!

But Mary Sue is a sexist term! Jokes aside, is it not strange that Rey, Holdo and Rose are perfect, always know best, strong, wise, humble and brave... And Luke, Poe and Finn are flawed, constantly make mistakes, weak, stupid, rash and cowardly? Sara Connor or Ellen Ripley had no need for some man to be worse then them in order to be a complete and utter pure concentrated awesomeness.