OK thanks for your input, hope you read my entire post, I know what people are saying about add-ons which is why I'm asking for it to be placed as an integrated system of the UI. Going back to your comparison of "easy" games and WoW, let us speak the truth for a second, these tools have nothing to do with social interaction at all, if anything it allows the player to better adjust to difference fights and allows them to better understand their characters period. If the people you were dealing with with WoW used this as an excuse you should have found better players to play with. Second, if you want to keep these so called add-ons out of the way, then lets go farther and say to remove quest logs, quest markers and the entire GTN, then people wont whine about that, you want to make this game "vanilla" then do me a favor a take a page from Everquest not Everquest 2 but the original which I played. In that game there was nothing, literally, you were thrown into the world and good luck, and if you happened to get killed by a mob well too bad, and now you have to go find your body because your gear didn't re-spawn with you. If you're looking at any game now a days from saying that a meter is a tool to make the game "easier" you should really look at game like Everquest and Baldur's Gate both of which were actually hard games to play. With regard to the actual integration of the meter it would be an optional things for players, you don't want it, don't enable it simple as that, and if you're going to let a simple thing as a meter determine whether or not you will continue playing this game, you may as well call it quits now, considering that the next patch may have something you don't like.