ouch, thats bit harsh i think but i can understand. i do type hi and sometimes i dont if no one did and are all overgeared than me. feels like they have grinded more than me so i dont know if they are burned out that they cant type. But running before clearing i agree. I do it rarely but only if i am tank and have aggro and 100% sure it will die in 1 or 2 seconds to go little further and heal before pull while not wasting anyone's time. -------------------- Had a vet mannan yesterday on my sniper. Me 70, 1 47 merc healer and 32 mara? dont remember but didn't have stealth/taunt (different guild yet friends it seems) and another 70 assassin. I was bit late to join as i was on the way to pick weekly while i accepted mission. they waited surprisingly. i was ok with them going ahead to clear and informed in chat. the two lowbies were chanting loakath dead or something always related to loakath. i have no idea what they were about. first boss, i had aggro on two droids and got chained and killed. couldn't get to kolto and healer didn't heal or couldn't i have no idea why they didn't use kolto. then assassin dies too when they gang on him. I ask if they are healing and know they can use kolto, they say they did. i didn't say more and thought of using it myself. round 2: we pulled it through and healer did use kolto and no one died. they pulled something by mistake and assassin was annoyed. after 2 wrong pull they said dont pull again when i am trying to stealth or i will leave. they pulled the console click (stealth skip possible one) at below and assassin left right away. both lowbies died and i somehow managed to solo it with help of multiple kolto cans breaking. Queued and we get level 15 mara. Now its me 70 sniper, 47 merc healer, 32 mara? and 15 mara. no one can kite. i got aggro and i kite but i cant dps and i just put dots on him. adds dont die and we wipe. 2-3 times. they kicked the level 15 mara saying useless. Queued again. We got level 57 PT. We try again but PT is not used to this fp and they are just coming back to game. We wipe. I show how to kite before /stuck. They try again and we still wiped. Both 47 & 32 left to their planets to continue without saying anything and only 1 left group. we kick the other. we queue again. All this time they kept chatting throughout fp about loakath dead or loakarth this that. it was weird or i am missing some reference no idea. We got a level 17 some class forgot. and a level 68 jugg. Now its me 70 sniper, 57 pt, 68 jugg, 17 mara? idr. Then i ask jugg if they can tank. they say they have done this as heals but haven't tanked and only leveling one now. we try 2 times and we wipe. 57pt suggests we do it with comp and kick 17 as they cant do anything. i was typing we cant do it with comp and the 17 leaves area without leaving group. i brought my level 10 comp while others have lower level. my 50 comp is unavailable(thanks bioware for not giving comps back yet). so we try 2 times and it didn't work. Then pt respecs for tank and pull their healer comp and i dismiss mine. we finally didn't have to worry about aggro and me running or anyone dying because couldn't reach kolto before boss hit too many times. We cleared the fp with 3 people after starting it 2 hours ago and 8 people in that fp. I was glad i got it done and instead of looking for snv group. went straight to bed.

I did my first ossus wb last week on my op healer and after first wipe to that boss group creator said they have never seen a wipe on that boss. But this wasn't really because adds didn't die. This was case of lots of people lagging and also not getting out of spit/goo on the floor. So us healers couldn't out heal the spit damage they kept taking. Nobody blamed healers luckily but i didn't know if thats like not really wipe boss occasionally or not wipe at all now. we wiped twice on that boss. I dont even want to count how many times people died on other boss including me. aoe was everywhere. i dont think i learned how to do that boss because the blast was all over and there was like no coordination. dead? run back. thats all there was to it. not sure if thats how its supposed to be done. I haven't tried to do it yet again after that last 300k ish repair bills.

this will become such grind fest and burn people out.. sad, hope they change that. thanks for info

but that wasnt really my intention though i understand what you mean. all i wanted was them to get healed up to 100 before HK and Malgus fights. I mean my main reason was that to buy item too as i have had times where people just dont use out of combat heal ability and i have to wait for no reason or heal them myself if i am healer. so its a convenient tool instead of asking them to heal in chat which they never read anyway. not this particular case but in general i mean

wait what? You mean you cant get lockout if your group disbands? wouldn't that let you farm one boss multiple times? or am i understanding wrong lol

This thread has gone awfully quiet...... I was trying to get to 300 cxp on last few toons i have left and was running fps back to back few days ago.. Got a false emperor pop and it was 3 dps me tank and it was going smoothly. mid way through before HK cut scene we were all not at 100% hp so i figured let me use music therapy item so we all get back to full health.. There was one person i think jugg? who right away ran out of the area.. I was like what, but i didn't say anything.. waited for them to heal up and we start.. After that we cleared the 4 turret and some trash group and right before the convo start i popped music probe again to top everyone up... guess what they backed out right away. I am like is this really an issue? I asked in chat do you don't want to dance? Other dps lol'ed and they did no reply. I figured fine and didn't pop it again until the end. Last boss before cut scene i popped it again out of habit and yup, they ran out of area. I don't know, felt very weird. i have ran so many gf fps but none like this happened before. We were all competent and cleared it fine, just found it odd. There was also another run in cademimu vet and i zone in with my slow PC and 3 dps have zoned in already. but all waiting at start, no biggie. we say hi and move along and at first group. one person says he is new and i am like np we have good gear should be easy. it was vet and we had like 250's in group. then this other 250 dps isn't coming. I figured we can just start and they will catch up midway, we cleared it almost in no time and they ask in chat "Why are you not losing them?" Me being the tank in my head "since when do we need los for this trash?" I cleared it with all aggro on me and 2 dps and me cleared without me dying. so i don't see whats the big deal. I don't do los if its not gonna make something quick or easy and i think that group dies fast anyway. Then right away the same dps asks for los on right next group. i facepalm myself and pull. We sliced the vehicle shortcut and then they asked me to los the first group which was like at this point i was like OK fine i will listen once so we los-ed that and it didn't all die so w/e. Then they asked me to los the last but one group before boss which is at conversation area. i just went to console and grabbed far range add and rest of them swarmed me and all died in 2 secs. I mean its not even mm mode and we have dps i don't see point in los. Another run Hammer station 3 from same guild and i zone in late as always and we kill first 2 droids. They say los. i am like ok but not really needed. we clear right group then los again which is fine. then yes, los again on the next group which is hardly needed for los. i was kinda in hurry as i needed to leave for work in 20 mins which is my fault accidental click on accept as its rare to get mm pop on dps lol.. oh well. so i move ahead on my op and get behind the adds and they do los. it was all bunched up and turned around i figured they will engage and i hit 1 mob. nope they want it to run further and turn again to the room like U shape reverse instead of L which what i thought.. i stealthed out at like 5% hp and the healer/tank blame for pulling before tank.. Healer: Don't pull before tank Me: I didn't pull if you notice. Healer: But you did hit them first Me: *Notices/remembers all 3 are same guild* don't want to get kicked so i don't reply anything because nobody died and its not like i get mm fp often on dps these days and we clear everything with always me ahead and some los but eh at that point i figured we would be los-ing everything anyway. 5 mins late to work but it works i guess. at the end i said you can dodge tank sweeping gunfire if you just move past him.. healer: We know. Me in my head, good then since tank never did move and healer healed overtime but hey if its your thing i should have stayed quiet maybe you are practicing. said thanks and quit.

Can we please get some game time codes on amazon or origin or somewhere that is not just US available? Swtor.com is ok but having recurring subscription is not what many want as it makes you fret if you forget to remove etc. Even if i sub non stop i would rather do it from game time code. Why cant we buy game time code on swtor.com itself if you find that giving % share to other 3rd party sellers is not profitable? Eric Musco can you please give us a word if there will be atleast new codes available in future with the new expansion releasing? Would really like an option to buy game time codes either in swtor.com or (preferrably) in amazon or other shopping sites or even origin. Why is amazon bundle and other time cards not available/replenished? Dont you all want us to pay?

http://www.swtor.com/user/ce/1z7580 ^ 3 codes available

doesnt it clearly says you cant get from mirror characters in legacy window?

i just hope we wont get more bugs while existing ones arent getting fixed

tanking isnt just being a meat bag maybe she didnt kite the boss around? like in athiss you have to kite boss away from purple circle? or HS fp where you should turn boss away from your group and then dodge los of sweeping fire?

i added a bit more to my last post after your post reminded me of warzone limitation. that will surely help subs to enjoy more warzone with less wait time.

lol. i will say one thing. if i was still f2p. all i wanted was to give an option to get unlocks on cred limit. i mean 200k is seriously a big joke. after level 34(first toon) i couldn't stand anymore and went pref just to get it to 350k and somehow survived that cap for 3 months and then had to get sub as 2 50 with all 61/63 gear needed a 50-55 jump. so my suggestion for f2p or at least for pref give an option to extend cred cap . (not escrow) maybe with cartel coins say 100cc for 100k extension? that will be heavy price and still worth for some and you get your money from cc too. make it trade-able so that more people will pay for it and it'll be available on GTN. only this cred cap expansion option is lacking imo. rest all can be bought from cartel as it is. whether its crew skill or any other authorization. Also unlimited warzones without the pas. atleast then we will have faster queues and more 8vs8 maps. as it is now. its quite boring. since you have to wait for more than 10 mins for 1 wz sometimes. if all have access to warzones, it'll benifit subs as well. let them get less valor points or/and xp and other things. like fps wont give boss loot after 3 rounds but you can play it still. helps subs to enjoy with less queue times and f2p will play more and eventually sub too. give prefs ability to send creds if f2p get mail option after some hours of play. or make it an option to buy from cartel coins.

er, guys. f2p cant post on forums right? so he must be a sub and just trolling right? or can they post after unsubbing and going to pref? because i couldnt post when i was f2p/pref. so here i am wondering why you guys are biting it.

i agree stuns are annoying. but please dont remove them. make it less maybe. but if there are no stuns. it becomes too easy. i solo heroics 4 black holse on my sage with 72 gear and little 78 already with nadia 69/72.. stuns/knockbacks pulls are what makes it more difficult and needs a bit of thought to play and not just face roll content. oricon is hard since you cant just sleep walk or go on speeder through mobs like in other areas. but, if everything is just like other areas and just a scenery change and mob looks change. does it make fun to play? wont it be same content with a paint job? if oricon pays so well considering gear and other things. then it should be harder than previous content? i feel its fine as it is. its hard at first. but you will get used to it. you have cc. use them before fight and start. we can get may be smaller cd on stun free move. but thats all i think is needed. if you want all mob like back in tython/korriban or starter planets with just more damage. game will be just repetitive right? would it make any fun? let there be different types of mob with some annoying mob combos. if you feel its that bad. you can just avoid that? oricon/ black hole heroics is not mandatory right? just saying. i dont understand it why nerf something which is just little harder than rest of easy mobs which you get at leveling planets. rakhgoul event heroics was fun for me. i have tank and healer. being a tank it was fun. i used to mass taunt as soon as it was about to jump on me(cc me) and then use my aoe attack which generates high threat and i never even used my break free move. i had aggro and i was just in my 69's. not saying i am perfect or good. i am just saying you just need to get used to it.