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I don't have the version in english of the helmet's name but I just made a curious observation. I don't get it why the glass on the helmet of consal harnoss is less shiny or has less brightness between this one and the one on Yeshiul Mepes. Why not put the same design? I would work on it if I had the chance but that's just my opinion. What do you think?
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A good question would be why WoW is standing up with their ranked and not swtor. WoW is much older and had more toxic behaviors overall because they also have more people. It is clear that there is an unfair balance about this. It wasn't deeply enough discuss despite they explained why they removed it. WoW developpers could say the same thing if they wanted the removal of their ranked. We must ask ourself if the problem was the number of subscibers or was it only just 1 person that convinced an entire group or a whole group itself.
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On 1/6/2024 at 10:23 PM, RACATW said:
Any class with a combination of near permanent stun immunity, knockback, almost infinite roots, massive damage, roll immunity to all damage and stuns, immunity to leaps, a combination of yellow and white damage should be nerfed.
No class has to be nerfed. You just have a problem of skills, experience, patience and understanding. That's all.
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On 12/28/2023 at 4:58 AM, SentinalMasterWW said:
To @JackieKo or to @EricMusco, If you have the time to read this, I apologize if my Language is rough or condescending, Understand that it is just almost two years of frustration that I had to let out. But in Seriousness PVP is in Dire need of help, and in fact this whole game is. It needs a Battlefront 2 Comeback.
2024 is a new year, and I can see that the Dev's are trying to listen to player feedback, if they can start implementing good QOL changes that the PVP community needs, I think we can slowly start rebuilding this game mode.
Rebuild? No, the game has been on this way since 2012 and you can't change the way it has been created like the way you mentioned. There is no question about implenting a battlefront 2 into an mmo. It's going too far. They have to deal and stay as much as possible with the concept they have in their hands.
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5 hours ago, ZUHFB said:
my guy, pvp is small part of the game, too small for them to invest money into people looking at the old code for pvp and removing a specific part of it is simply not worth the time the devs would have had to put into fixing it - or rather it would've if the game was supposed to maintain players long term, without new content (which we obviously aren't getting) fixing up a mode with infinite replayability is not worth it because everybody would quit before reaching the point where the only thing to do is play ranked
1. Can I have any ressources from what you're saying or is it just a hypotetical confirmation? I'm wondering because several people are always bringing the same argument, so I guess there's a reason? I try to find out. Otherwise if you just say that because you mean of it that would mean you're trying to convince people from something that isn't true. Continuously repeating the facts is a means of propaganda to argue that point of view is worth more than others, when it could be the opposite.
On 1/6/2024 at 6:47 PM, Smokiezy said:so who i gotta pay to get some ranked pvp back again? just one of ya most watched streamers on twitch asking XD
2. You don't have to pay, freedom equal getting it and it has no prices.
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On 1/6/2024 at 7:35 PM, SteveTheCynic said:
Ask all the folks who wintraded their way to the studio dropping ranked...
1. I still didn't have the chance to get reach the top and improving more skills so no
15 hours ago, ZUHFB said:my guy you post like daily surely you read why it got removed: combat styles and top3 couldn't work together, fixing this was too much investment for how small the community was amd thus it got removed, not because of wintrade.
1. Indeed but this issue perhaps is a droplet of water overflowing into the barrel.
2. Investment? They do millions, why money would be a problem? You already know when devs make their own idea about something, it can result to a roller coaster.
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2 hours ago, SoontirMorillo said:
Uncontrolled toxicity led to the death of Ranked. Uncontrolled toxicity will lead to the death of Regs too. If players refuse to use the only instrument they have to combat that, it IS their own fault. If one toxic player is reported every single game, from every single teammate and enemy, every single day, every single week... he WILL get banned. And this banned player will not be the reason that a newbie thinks "This harassment is not worth it, i stay in PvE.".
This thread asking about who is responsible for removing Ranked is a joke. The answer is players. Every single player, who did not report toxicity, every single game, every single day, every single week, every single month, every single season, every single year was the reason, that every single player who wanted to try Ranked, quitted after a handful of games, because he got whispered at immediately.
And as long as you (universal "you") refuse to take responsibility for your own actions and instead accuse and search for someone else who should be at fault instead of yourself, it is fully clear that you learned nothing about the death of Ranked in this game.
The Ranked players are responsible for the death of Ranked. It IS simple as that. They prevented for years the influx of new players, who could have saved the downfall. Because no developer in his right mind, would expand or put money into a game mode, which basically nobody plays.
If you want to know who failed Ranked just look into the Solo Ranked Rating list from the last 5 years. The names stand there. Start with No. 1 and go down.
They all saw the decay deteriorate... year for year... and they did not react. They all knew they needed new players and at the same time they harassed every single one of them right out of Ranked and even the game.
So yes... start with No.1 and go down the list.
First I'm not brainwashed, the thread is not a joke and I find your reply disrespectful for saying that when you don't CAREFULLY READ my comments just as Whykara. I don't want to repeat my self like I did overall my replies. You really seems to dream a lot thinking about reporting everyone would resolve all problems all toxic behaviors all the time all days because even in real life you can't stop people bullying each other for what they have to say to make understand some clear statements. it really doesn't work that way and this is the same thing as we are talking here.
- Uncontrolled toxicity will lead to the death of Regs too
-12 years and regs are still there. BECAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH AND THIS IS A STATEMENT FOR EVERYONE WHO DARE DESTROYING PVP EVEN MORE! I don't think you want this. Seriously not. I don't even know how I could be more serious about this. Words aren't enough here. If you dare to preach for it you don't even know howmuch the consequences there will be. MORE THAN JUST DESTROYING A GAME. Mark my words!!!!
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8 hours ago, SoontirMorillo said:
Some people are so brainwashed in thinking, that this is the default setting, that they honestly argue in favour for returning Ranked, despite making those statements.
If you deal with toxic behavior for years, that is not how it has to be. Leave the relationship. ... mmh... sorry... quit Ranked. Delete Ranked, Report all toxic players. Ban all toxic players. THAT is how you deal with it for years.
And that is what the Developers finally did. Get rid of all of them.
You being in this thread arguing for Ranked is nothing else than an example of Stockholm Syndrome. You don't NEED toxic behaviour to get better, to be motivated to get better. This is a YOU-problem. Seriously, how can you tell the world, that you were abused for years,... and follow up with "i want that back"?
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If you find the motivation to fight 1v4 in a Ranked enviornment against better players, and now struggle with a 1v4 in a non Ranked enviornment and will just roll over and die
this is a YOU-problem.
You need to seriously question yourself on how you did form this opinion on this topic.
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Your whole post is an argument in favour of the Devs decision to abolish Ranked. They saved you. Even if you don't realize, that you needed to be saved.
When I was young I had to deal with what's on the table. When you say It's not how it has to be, this isn't you to decide what should be and what shouldn't. You're pointing finger at me like I was the only problem on the whole game but you still don't face the problem itself, you dodge it like a scared crow flying away from the noise. The problem you seek is clearly developper's decision/idea that have been brought into the game and NOT me. Also they didn't save me I really don't know where the hell are you going with this. Like I said several time I am the one who wanted to take this suffering path and I'm the only one responsible of it. Call me masochist I don't care. You DO not have the right and the goals to tell me what should be better or not for me.
Moreover, the result of banning ALL toxic players will be not only be even worst but will result of dramastic lost of subscribes and increase a lot of bad criticism against the game. It will be even more toxic like you could ever encounter. This is my prediction. Is it viable, I don't know? Toxic behaviors are in ALL games and can never be stopped despite what you say.
A good question now is what's the difference in statistics between the lost of subscribes and the gain of subscribes since the removal of ranked. If it's better since the removal that means developper's decision was RIGHT for them. They will benefit of it. If it's not the case then it means YOU have been in the BAD POSITION and were in the WRONG PLACE THE WHOLE TIME with developpers. Which is something I'm pretty sure they won't never talk due to shame and clueless incompetant skills of making decisions. I wouldn't be surprised because they already regret bringing ranked. Nice whipe hitting isn't it? Eh?
5 hours ago, SoontirMorillo said:And the problem is... ?
The problem will be legitimately be the way you behave who brought the real death of this game. End of pleading.
Overall even if I had 4 person on me in 4v4 that means I was totally bad and need to be placed were I was. I also was very toxic and I deserved very very well what I did.
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4 hours ago, Nee-Elder said:
Sort of , but rather than the OP ( or anyone ) needing to speculate/guess , i figured maybe u guys/gals/gamers might want to read actual official historical intel instead? --> https://forums.swtor.com/topic/926287-follow-ups-on-pvp-in-72/
If you want me to give my opinion and experience about what ''eric'' said...
Hey folks,
We’re seeing a lot of chatter about the changes coming to PvP in both the PTS and PvP sub-forums. To consolidate conversations, I’m posting a thread here rather than responding to several threads with similar information. I’ll break down the main points that we’re seeing and address them accordingly.
Why are we making these changes to PvP?
We talked about this during the 7.2 livestream, but I will reiterate the goals here. There are three main goals we want to achieve with this revamp:
- Create a positive and engaging PvP experience for all players
- By creating a positive and engaging PvP experience for all players for making these changes, eric and developpers created a negative and big one for removing ranked. Why? Since the season 8 or 9 I was struggling to reach the goal which is getting into the best place I could. I wasn't motivated enough to get gold or platinum at this time and took a break for few years later. When I came back I wasn't prepared and skilled enough to face ranked because I'm a solo stubborn and competitive person so I made the decision to face the wall by my own. I dealt with toxic behaviors for years and it was fine to me yes and no at the same time but I kept struggling/suffering/enduring to reach my goal which is what I wanted because it was my motivation. Each time I was fighting was creating an improved and positive experience against skilled players. Small one but still there, indeed each day fighting was a little gain of PvP skills. Now that you removed ranked. My chances of getting improved was reduced enough to stop any progress almost to 0. When I meet new comers from pvp I got no challenges, it's boring because by now I have more experience over these players and this is a normal situation. When I meet a group of more than 4 person, it's not a challenge anymore, It's a question of few seconds before I die. too much is too much eh? So when you say positive PvP experience I'm desperate to find one, I can get one but this is seriously and dramastically not as often as it was before.
- Increase the overall participation and quality of PvP matches
- Quality of ''serious competition'' was way WAY reduced due to these changes just as I said in the text above.
- Offer new incentives that benefit everyone who participates in PvP
- No! This is a lie, these incentives doesn't befenit to me and many serious/stubborn players like me that does think as I do.
With these goals in mind, this is why we moved to the PvP Revamp as you know it. Which includes the new PvP seasonal structure, queues being condensed into 8v8 (Warzones) and 4v4 (Arenas), and the rest of the changes we have been discussing.
Why not keep some form of the Leaderboards active?
This is a good question and there is a lot that went into this decision so let me talk you through it.
First, a big one, Combat Styles! Our Ranked Leaderboards were built to pretty explicitly take your class into account, hence why it was organized (and rewards even) were based on Class. That got thrown for a big loop in 7.0 as now you could have more than one "class" (now Combat Style) and change between them. This would have meant even just for the leaderboards to continue as is, would have taken a large rewrite to how we handled player data.
Second, the leaderboards did not help in creating a positive environment. We absolutely can attribute quite a bit of this to the top 96 rewards as there was incentive for breaking into the top 3 of each class. However, even with that the leaderboards were very frequently used as a method of harassment against other players. These behaviors led to violations of our Terms of Service, harassment and spam being directed to both players and support staff, and required a substantial amount of moderation and investigation.
- A good question is why did you implement the ranked pvp if now you decide to take it back after all the decisions that have been made, I'm geniunely surprised and discouraged that no one of you developpers didn't think even one second if you added a more competing situations into this game it would bring even more negative behaviors? If you have thought about it we ''PvPers'' wouldn't be in this situation right now. Sometimes it sounds like if you were shaking people's mind just as if it was playing with toys. You're going to think and say to yourself it's a game and it's our buisness so we make money and you got 0 control of it so backoff pal? I can agree and deal with that. Yes.. but people are here to have fun and pay for it? Right? You're here to make money because it's a buiness. Howmany subscribes did you lose since you removed ranked? I'm not sure you can say anything about it but I'm pretty sure you lost a significant number of your money/subscribers.
These all led to our decision to no longer support leaderboards. Now, with that said we very much understand that being able to flex and compete is a cornerstone of PvP. That is what we are leaning into the Battle Record for, as a way for players to track and share their stats.
The competitive nature of PvP
PvP on any level is naturally competitive as is implied in its own name, Player vs Player. Due to that competition there are always going to be things that happen that aren’t entirely positive (and not entirely negative). Especially in situations where there are questions of teammates skill or intentions, or just some good ole “smack talking.” We get it. However, our own supporting PvP systems and environment should do everything they can to encourage positive play (lies again). The revamp allows us the opportunity to invite more players to participate in PvP while removing sources that generated negative behaviors such as the leaderboards and even PvP flags.
-Tell me how people will get into your game after all the bad critics they have against PvP? If you put ranked back there would be less skilled players into warzones/4v4 arena to bully/destroy/gank people for their own fun. Several people have made bad stream/twitch videos and comments about pvp since months and now as I can see there's a lot of complains about people not having fun due to premades that run 365 days per year the same cataclysmic rotation of destroying's mind of unexperienced players. WoW is toxic too but they managed to keep their ranked pvp. Why wouldn't you do the same? They are bigger yes but older too and I didn't find any pvp ranked removal of their part after all the toxic behaviors. Also why new comers aren't able to make decisions as same way as I do? Because they want everything easier to reach the ''fun content of the game'' and put less energy/efforts and this is equal of removing major contents of the game and destroying the pillar of swtor.
With that in mind I want to end on an important note. This is Season ONE of the PvP revamp. We know it won’t be perfect but that is always the benefit of a live service. It gives us the opportunity to read feedback, see player data, and more to continue to improve the system, its rewards, and even consider additional features to support our goals for PvP. We hope you dive into this first season and we look forward to continuing the conversation on supporting and growing the PvP community going forward.
-eric
You listened to fear/dissatisfaction/anger/sadness of new comers who doesn't do anything to build a harder level of pvp content and doesn't play or support in the way that is different from others over veteran pvp players that are paying your game and salary since 2012, yes I'm now the one who complains and cry about it. All the time and money spent to give me the chance to get as far as most of the best players were and build my own experience plus having fun from this are now in vain. I'm not about to forget this.
Forgive me if my english is bad. I'm trying the best as I can.
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9 hours ago, Whykara said:
I mean you do sound vaguely threatening.
I thought you were switching to chess. I shouldn't have to repeat my self from what I said. It was clear and firm. I don't want any of your replies or any excuses/reasons from this on this thread until now. Thank you.
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1 hour ago, Whykara said:
It was removed with 7.2 (?) so before the Broadsword takeover. So it was not Rob Denton. It was probably a group decision, like most things are.
Which group are we talking about? Developpers or else?
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Is it Rob Denton or developpers? If it's developpers can we have the name(s)? There is no threat, no worries. If I want to adress my self to the only one or those responsibles I won't take the path from the bottom, I go directly on the main ressources. Thanks!
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1-Should I get all 344 rakata or 336 is fine? People are telling me the gear is capped at 336. Same for relics, it seems the proc have been cap at 336. Is it true? idk. I see better stats on 344.
2-Should I get all crit augments even if I have 4k crit? or master is more efficient?
Thanks!
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This is on Lovely Fruit (name character) sorcereress corruption, legacy name: Resurrection, 20:48 is East Local time Canada. It is also in French version.
And there's a mistake in text of my operative medicine named Dr'sixteen: take a look at the time it takes: 10597-13697 seconds. This is something to increase the ''patient and waiting skills''! xD
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9 hours ago, Lord_Janosch said:
Your first mentioned bug is also happening in the german client (no names for pvp missions). It's been months, started with the new UI
I just wanted to mention and letting know for everyone about the freezing bug mission, it's not a problem anymore it is resolved. How? I was tired and didn't see the problem was just because I didn't realise a lost wasn't adding +1 in my missions just as the same as in the old previous patches.
and yes you are right it is probably because of the UI. Maybe im german and I didn't know? Heh
here is an example:
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My game is in french and here are my problems:
-My pvp Missions are present in the pvp pannel but the name of the missions doesn't appear. It's like an empty square of title, a void. Same with description when you click on them.
-My victories are freezing. When I win my victory do not count anymore.
I need help.
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Those people who were very lucky and by example looted Helix hyperpod or red sphere mount could they transfert their rare mount to another character? Is it bind on legacy or stricly bind on equip?
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12 hours ago, slowdude said:
How does this help with premades and poorly performing role mirroring matchmaking?
How do you improve if you have no challenge?
It has been 2 years now since ranked players were globaling me. You think I didn't learn anything from them? You think they didn't know each others or weren't playing together with discord? All the insults and plays against me were worthing it. Go through this and your hard work will pay back. This is called experience.
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Stop flaming topics like many other ones and learn pvp well and you'll get a better WR.
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I will miss the flags and globals on me in ranked from grand/prum/crazyguy/schoi/andrew pintay/shadowbots/caecus/baby ape/burnsf/futture proof/ivoxygen/lil toasty/merc person/not mortis/pizza duh hutt/penguin/phunkyfill/pikachu/penguin/Rhettis/Shelovesnike/Sovernty/Juricane/Vehirt/Whitefox/Young sandwich/Yggradisil/Zyn'x and more. I don't have any clue if I did say twice the same person but it doesn't matter.
2 hours ago, JediMasterAlex said:There are also many cases of new players coming into ranked with ........ no conception of how to play their class, and an entitled "I pay a sub I can play how I want" attitude. Those are the people that ranked players yell at after they get globaled repeatedly, and by and large those are the people that cry about ranked "toxicity" on the forums.
Maybe I've contribued to this but it was the only way for me to improve faster because unraked isn't the proper place to learn about my class in PvP. In 2-3 year I was still able to get one silver with couple of bronzes. I worked for it and I don't regret anything.
It was fun tho
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Quote5 hours ago, Narkny said:
I did like the idea of adding the option of choosing between 4v4 or 8v8, but that should've been added in addition to, and not with the removal of ranked. Why not have it all at once together? That would yield much better results and gives a practice arena for 4v4 gameplay which can later be used for better performance in ranked and people would be happier. Now, that would've been a lot more like a "revamp", instead of what's currently planned. So, please, for the good of PvP and the game, don't remove Ranked PvP.
That is exactly what do we need. If the 4v4 arena was a choice I would go there before going on ranked like I did 2 years ago to get my own epexrience and skilled players in ranked wouldn't have barked at me at this time. Bioware doesn't have a good reason to revamp PvP if they don't say the real reason of it. Simple fact.
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Quote1 hour ago, IIHawkerII said:
I don't know where you got 'Victory' from, it doesn't appear once in my post.
If you slowed down for even a wee little moment there, you'd realize 'should' never factored into the equation at all. I don't deserve diddly here and I'm not asking for diddly. So what is happening? You might ask - Well, about two years ago I tried to get into ranked for the first time, I thought the rewards looked cool. Long story short, it sucked bigtime so I never went back. "Hey the rewards are cool, but they're behind ranked so I'll never get 'em. Ah well, too bad.' Afford your attention to the 'Ah well, too bad' part, that's me accepting the cost of said rewards, something that a lot of people seem to have a real hard time acknowledging here. Anyway, I went about my business - Content that they'd never be available for someone like me that doesn't do ranked.
Then this development happens a couple of years later 'Oh cool, they're gonna be made available to unranked players, sweet'. That's it - That's as far as the situation goes, mate. Of course if a stranger approached me on the streets and gave me the keys to a brand new sports car I'd say I did nothing to deserve it - But of course I'm not gonna turn down a free sports car. It's cool, that's it. I don't know what y'all are expecting?
"Ew, keep those cool rewards away from me - I didn't earn them so I shouldn't want them ever"?A win is a victory right? You preach a lot for your own interest without looking around. it's ok but don't be surprise if people yell at you somehow.
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Quote1 hour ago, IIHawkerII said:
Mate, I never disputed any of that. Aside from the 'You have no character part', but my honesty wipes that away, so I'm just gonna assume that was a misunderstanding. I understand I would've never gotten these rewards if not the upcoming change, I still want them of course but that doesn't mean I deserve or am entitled to them. It does suck big time for people that actually put in the hard work and grinded for them - But at the end of the day, it is a win for me because I never would've been able to get 'em, never would've touched ranked. That's not gloating, that's me acknowledging that I didn't earn 'em, but I'm being given a gimme all the same which I appreciate.
I'm a casual, I've only tried ranked like... Twice ever. But half of the conversation here is to do with casuals, so I figured it'd be a good idea to provide that perspective. Like I said, I haven't earned diddly, and frankly I never would've seriously engaged in ranked to even try earning them because from what I observed the community was terrible and the gameplay looked too sweaty to be fun for someone with bad ping. That does suck as someone that did work through ranked, but as a casual PvP'er, I'm happy there's some incentive and happier still that I get a crack at the past rewards, even if I frankly don't deserve them.Yeah and that's a problem when you say ''victory'' as well. So I should get those rare mounts like red sphere/helix hyperpod from TFB with cartel coins so I will be happier when I think I don't derserve them because I never was able to get it through all the several times I tried. That really sounds like a baby who do not have his toy so he cries. Don't you think? But if mommy is Bioware she just show favoritism over his so desired kid and ignore his second child? I don't think some people realise how does that hurt but you will know someday how does it really really hurt.
At this point.... Bioware should just shut it down this game? But the good point is everyone isn't going to be enjoying this so that makes it a good comprise? Swtor never existed? How is the pie if you got more than half of it and I don't get one single piece? Should I cry like a child?
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Quote5 hours ago, RikuvonDrake said:
player observations and assumptions or bioware actions and reality, wonder which option can be considered facts...
if ranked increased revenue, profits and resources at all/more than other aspects of this game where those resources could be allocated it would have stuck around, it didn't so clearly that is not the case
that said, its up to each individual to decide if they want to think that bioware removed ranked despite it being profitable without costing any resources, or cause it didn't provide enough/any profits that matched the resources needed to maintain it
You don't change a receipe that brings you success. Like JediMasterAlex said they make money with ranked so I guess it's more because they don't want people to play that way to separate PVE to PVP players that make this decision. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought the concept of getting some materials to let you buy your gear via pve Flash Points when you are categorically a pvp player. Another similar example is the Quest R4. If you want to play ranked you have to get the maximum stats over your gear and the 340 gear is the Master Mode R4 mission request for that. They Force people to get involved into THEIR ways. Very bad idea. We saw over the time the results of those games who aren't supported as they should be and that means LISTENING to fans.
You seriously think BioWare is going to make more money if they lose a huge amount of people who paid just for ranked if they don't have the resources to maintain it? Tell me ''how'' they can't get the resources to maintain pvp? We just told several times they make money with it. I mean cmon dude this is non sense. We are not going anywhere with your opinions. It shouldn't be each individual to decide but instead a gratefulness of a group of people who brings you money and success to your company.
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It's a quick and easy win or lost to gain tech frags/conquest... I enjoy the 6-0 when I win but even if I lose like that it makes a +1/12