INTRO: Game design is affecting user experience in a negative way in PvP. Decurion gear does less DPS and PvErs come to PvP to grind Thyrsian gear. Looking for comments from UX pros and enthusiasts (as in you actually deeply look into the subject and not that you suddenly think you you are an enthusiast) or the feedback of experienced players that have very structured minds. Now... You can have an opinion, but I will not read those who don't show they have the profile I am seeking for information. Specially forum vigilantes and other losers. DISCLAIMER: This is not about bickering between PvErs and PvPers. It is about game design. ARGUMENTATION: I am concerned HERE exclusively with the fact that game design has lead to a massive influx of PvErs into PvP environment to grind Thyrsian gear; and that comes to the loss in quality of game sense, organization and synergy of players in WZ. So, this is not ablout PvErs coming to PvP, but the huge influx of PvErs due to game desing. Something that could be fixed by editing Decurion gear to do more DPS. The average PvEr is not in his/her average environment. The lack of skill and game sense is shocking compared to previous expansions. We, PvErs, have our premades. It becomes a huge faceroll. This farming becomes quite boring. The same applies to having 3 good players in a Quesh Huttball; with 2 passes, we can score a 5x0 in no time. What's the fun of it after doing this a few times? It is rare to find a WZ challenging match. A challenging WZ is all the average PvEr wants from a WZ. It's the same thing with sports. Now, one can argue that WZ performance has been in decline for years. I will accept that info that I got from PvPers that are here for quite a while and I have come back a few months ago from a long time out. Yet, the contrast from 6.0 and 7.0 is alarming. I once got from a very centered PvEr an arguement saying that soon the gring will subsidize as people have their gear and will try to use it more in their PvE environment/experience. The arguement was supported by some very proficient NIM lvl like PvE players from a Guild that achieves very well in PvE. Would like, however, further feedback. Would be nice if the debate develops with citing the item number. It is important to FOCUS on the subject and not go astray.

I do not know if pve is disturbed proportionally as much as pvp is. So far, regs became extremelly frustrating. Today, I played 16 matches. Not one that was fun. Not one. Not counting wins/defeats. It's about the match. IF pvp gear wasn't so desired by pvers, the thing would improve A LOT. Pvp would not be so attractive, mainly by underachieving pvers, and pvper experience would possibily be better. It would be lovely that DEVs edited pve gear with same stats as pvp gear. Problem solved!

The guild was exclusive for pvp and dedicated. We accepted a few still learning. Just a few. The guild wasnt working cause players are LEAVING the game. Not going other guilds. And it seems it's my turn. I love Star Wars, but my career is one that shaped me: I am extremelly demanding. Will not accept bad design in the little entertainment time I have. Words from my lead programmer, when I described the situation: bad game design. Should have thought pvp matches would be full of ppl who are clueless and that would be frustrating to those who are not. I could just go ranked, but that is not possible. My idea is to bring my son along and he needs lots of regs. Besides, WZs used to be fun. I just came back, from 2013. They are a waste of time now. The community used to get different replies as well. More informative. More data.

I could just go areans in ranked... Yet, I am introducing my son to the game and he is quite young. Needs lost of regs. Besides, WZs used to be fun. It's a pitty. I got quite some good PvPers in guild and we were starting to have ranked fun little before 7.0 launch. The win ratio was circa 55% in guild. Some were being sort of carried. But it was fun having them. Some had potential. Farming pvers when we grouped was getting boring. It wasn't competitive enough. Lots of pvpers are getting quite frustrated. Recently we just found out that 306 without augs is a sort of exploit... I joined a pvp guild now. All like this. I gfrinded for nothing. Frustrating. I have little time to play. Lots of work in RL. Love Star Wars, but seems will go Final Fantasy 14...

I wasn't asking for world pvp. I said I will end up chosing such thing in another game and will get better quality pvp.

I have just come back to game. When I leaft, Huttball was perfect. Lots of fun. Lots of coordination. The rest is useless to comment.

Imature comment. It doesn't take much IQ to figure out that pvers are clueless and make matches a disaster.

I will list the chain of events that lead to PVER invasion: 1) Thyrsian gear does more DPS than Noble Decurion. The latter has more Endurance. 2) GSF currency/mats motivate further grinding of Thyrsian gear. 3) This makes its the go to gear - mainly for underachieving pvers, that will not have NIM gear. 4) PVERs invade regs. Clueless, they watch as some people that actually know what to do strike goals with 3 players, 2 passes in Quesh Huttball. And weeks pass and they are still clueless! They are used to sit on a place and do their "rotations". Period. 5) In the end, they and, now, I and my son, just wait for the luck of getting a team of people who are less clueless... It's extremelly frustrating. 6) Some say that, with time, people will have their gear and the PVP environmant will be better. Sorry, this should have been thought of in game design. Devs should know PVP would be invaded - and destroyed. This does not need PTS. I started a PVP guild. It was losing players fast... One told me "This had everything to be great, but I won't waste my gaming time anymore. Better to get World PVP in another game". What can DEVs do in a short time? Edit Noble Decurion gear? I am desperate here. I introduced my son to MMOs and wanted to have fun with him in summer. And wanted it in Star Wars. It's utterly impossible now. Don't take this as some kid flamming. I sell myself "games" to the military. I know my ****. Lovely if some feedback.

But how do I ever get to make an augment kit mk-9 if I can't learn it from trainer? How can I learn it?

But how do I ever get to make an augment kit mk-9 if I can't learn it from trainer? How can I learn it?

It is extremelly disturbing, but I have never managed to enter ranked. A major issuse for a pvper. Maybe another game can be a better pvp place for pvpers.

Some time ago. Makes a difference? I would be mad Tesla or Alfa Romeo suddenly started giving it out cars for free.

Bought my Imperial Covert Pilot gear with Cartel coins and now it is given out for free. Suggestion: Don't make us feel like fools: a) Free what I payed for? WOW! b) I felt good having something sort of not common. Now... I am here for SW. Rest assured I will never ever play anything else created by your party. I learned my lesson.