Another technique I noticed they use is to spam around the GTN using /say rather than general chat. This prevents players from quickly reporting them as spam through a right click, which seems not to work in /say.

There is a quest on Hutta where you confront one such Sith who is trying to prevent his son from being sent to Korriban because he knew how brutal it was based on personal experiences. The mother, on the other hand, is trying to get the son to go and hired you to "deal" with the father.

Considering how bloody easy the Emperor destroyed T3 in Revan, T7 shouldn't have lasted that long lore-wise. It would've been interesting to bring Kira along instead considering the history she had with the Emperor, but I think the story does a reasonable job explaining why she can't come and does a good job with her special rescue scene before the final fight.

Yes, it is KOTOR 3 good. The Jedi Knight story fulfilled everything I wanted from a KOTOR 3 story. Unlike some other class stories, the Knight story feels very coherent throughout leading to a final goal. And the Kira romance is also very well done.

OP, I applaud your optimism but I'm too jade about BioWare. Most of the stuff being listed has already been asked for by players since release.

At first I thought this was a joke thread in response to BioWare shutting down the one about EA claims of 2-3 million players, and then I read the link. I actually LOL. Talk about a severe disconnect from the people who run the business and the people who play the game!

This. Enzidar, while you may dismiss his example of Presidential debates, Nydus' point still stands that people are also trying to convince a third party, i.e. BioWare. People get invested in debates because they want to show to BioWare why a certain idea is worth pursuing or not. As someone with plenty of debating experience, I can tell you that the purpose is not to convince your opponent but to convince the judges that you are right (or failing that, your opponent is still wrong). I think it is great for people to really get into debates even if the two parties don't convince each other because it will give the third party, BioWare, perspectives from different angles.

Way to completely miss my point. SWTOR was intended to be the cash cow that can be milked on the long run on par with WoW. They have repeatedly stated SWTOR would be a WoW's level. When they failed to achieve this, it will of course affect EA stock prices due to a loss of investor confidence. I never said it would be the end of the world for EA since I've acknowledged they got different things going for them, but it's also silly for people to underestimate how much EA had riding on SWTOR because, and let me say it again slowly for you: SWTOR was meant to be a huge cash cow that can provide long term predictable profits the way WoW does for Activision.

The sad thing is we will probably have to pay for good looking robes...something which should've been in the game since release.

Keep in mind that Watchman's Zen can heal the entire group in Juyo, which actually relieves noticeable pressure from healers. This is always helpful. In terms of the Guardian's ability to tank, it's really negligible IMHO if you are filling a DPS spot because those emergencies where the MT and OT goes down are (hopefully) rare. DPS wise both are viable even if Sentinel pulls ahead. However, I personally give utility to a Watchman.

Hahaha, I love your comment about trooper team looking like a circus, because I feel the same way about my Havoc Squad. I got myself the cool Exalted legacy set for my trooper alt, but everyone else looks like a bunch of buffoons. And yes, customization companion appearance should be in the game a long time ago. Heck, LOTRO was able to do that for soldiers when they released the skirmish system. Yet, BioWare has yet to show any signs of getting the ball rolling. Guess they were busy with F2P plans.

And yet, you do not address my point that recruit gear will be replaced very, very quickly by anyone who PvPs consistently making its purchase a very poor investment. Instead, you rather force players to waste credits, in a game with many credit sinks, that could be better used elsewhere on gear that will be replaced in about two weeks of PvPing or to exclude them from PvP completely. This is what I wrote (which you quoted) in response to your scenario of undergeared players in PvE encounters: And that's why many players, including myself, run with guildies and friends who are capable, both gear and skill-wise, to handle the content instead of complaining in the forums about the need for a gear check in the LFG tool. Now exactly where is the insult? Am I not stating a fact? Are you not here complaining that undergeared fresh 50s "do nothing" and want BioWare to exclude them from unranked PUGs unless they spend money on recruit gear? If you don't like being called out on insulting and editing out the post, then don't it in the first place rather than try to turn the tables with "fish for an auto win." No it's not. Unranked PvP is unranked PvP where anyone should be able to participate due to its PUG nature. You get highly skilled folks in WH gear to fresh 50s to non-PvPers taking a break from the PvE grind. Either you play with the hand you are dealt or you play in ranked warzones where expertise is needed on any competitive team. And that's why many players, including myself, run with guildies and friends who are capable, both gear and skill-wise, to handle the content instead of complaining in the forums about the need for a gear check in the LFG tool. O wait, I better not say that because it's an insult apparently. So you are implying that you do participate in ranked warzones. Then frankly, I don't see any reasonable grounds for you to complain. If you are playing at the competitive level where expertise is required, then why are you complaining about unranked PvP where players from different playstyles converge in PUGs? Is it that hard for you to get the measly amount of normal warzone commendations required for ranked gear? Let those players participate, have their fun, get their BM gear as we all did at one point or another (i.e. including before the free recruit gear). And if they get frustrated and quit because of getting pwned by BM/WH players, that's their call. Fortunately, no one needs to worry about your call to exclude certain players from unranked PUGs with F2P coming up. With F2Pers already having limited access to warzones and declining subscription numbers, BioWare would be shooting itself on the foot by following your suggestion to shrink the pool of players for unranked PUGs.

That made me LOL.

While it's important to keep everything in perspective, I think some of the posters here are underestimating the intention of having SWTOR as a cash cow to provide EA with a predictable (i.e. subscriptions) income over the long term without going through up and down development cycles. In this regard, BioWare and EA has clearly failed and F2P is an attempt to salvage the game's long term profits.

It's funny how you are making assumptions about me and my gear. Does it occur to you that I can be opposed to a suggestion that limits ANYONE's participation in an aspect of game that is meant to be a free for all PUG? If you want to avoid dealing with this problems, the solution is simple: join a team for ranked PvP. So why aren't you? A speeder or whatever else. Doesn't matter. Given how quickly a dedicated PvPer can get Battlemaster gear, it's a waste of credits to buy recruit gear (i.e. stuff that will be replaced in less than 2 weeks vs a speeder you will use for the rest of your SWTOR career--the choice is pretty obvious). Right. That's what I've been saying all along and that's what I don't understand about players like you and the OP who are complaining. You don't want to play with green geared players. BioWare has provided ranked war zones for you to play with other players who are properly geared while given you opportunities to earn greater rewards not available to those pesky new 50s you so detest. Unranked PvP should be left as is. So, I say again, what's stopping you from playing ranked PvP? Do not take my comment about end game PvE gear out of context. I never said end game PvE gear is comparable to BM/WH gear. I am agreeing with omega's comment that it's much better than recruit gear. Please "waky waky" and read the thread. LOL, I've done plenty of reading and actual playing of SWTOR and am well aware of mechanics. I like how you and other person arguing against me have resorted to levelling insults. A sign of someone who can't really make a good case for him/herself.

If they can't 3 medals in greens they won't be able medals no matter what they are wearing. The bare minimum is a matter of bare minimum skill...such as standing around defending a position in most war zones yelling something like "inc grass." If that was the case, BioWare would've set up a system similar to turning in tokens for PvE drops. It's free cash to be spend as you wish. The smart player would invest it in something long term not waste it on a set of gear that can be replaced in about 2 weeks of PvP. Can't wait for newbies to gear up? Then play ranked where everyone is rolling in expertise. And that's why many players, including myself, run with guildies and friends who are capable, both gear and skill-wise, to handle the content instead of complaining in the forums about the need for a gear check in the LFG tool. And I see you deleting your comment calling me a leecher. Either way, jumping into ad hominem are we? What I don't get is, you complain about people coming in without proper gear. The solution is ranked warzones where you set up or join teams with exactly what you are looking for. So why aren't you?

I have both a Guardian and a Sentinel, and I believe doing what you suggested will result in a nerf to Sentinel survivability while not making a difference to Guardian tanking. Seeing as your reasoning is base on PvE, I'll focus on that. Guardians have no survivability issues for end game tanking. Any Guardian having survivability issues and feel the need for Rebuke is either having poor healers, poor gear, poor skill, or a combination of the above. You are wrong that Sentinels don't use it for PvE. It should always be up when not on cooldown. Always. For boss fights and for solo play. To make it baseline, the ability will have to be nerfed because Guardian survivability as is is strong enough. Guardians essentially will go from fine to easy mode whereas Sentinels would lose their primary mitigation ability.

Why should people waste the money on recruit gear when Battlemaster gear is a dime a dozen? Smart players would invest that money in something that will last them a lot longer (i.e. speeder, augments, etc.) and grind out BM gear which doesn't take a lot of time if they PvP daily. This is the purpose of UNRANKED and pugged warzones, for people to grind out their gear or take a break from their normal routine. Omegabloodangel also makes a good point which I agree with situationally. Why should a tank in full Rakata or Campaign with 22k+ hp switch into any Recruit tank gear for miserable 13k+ hp when his/her job is to soak damage? If you want to play in an environment where you can expect your teammates to pull their weight, like I said, go play in ranked warzones and stop the qq about the free for all world of unranked pugs.

Agreed. I really tried to level other toons, but the process is way too boring. While the class story itself is engaging, I have to repeat the other content again and again just to get enough experience so I can progress through the story. The story model itself isn't a hindrance, but rather the lack of leveling options in this game world where everything is so LINEAR. If players had multiple areas to level (say, random example, make Dantoonine a low level planet like Coruscant), then the leveling experience will be less repetitive and more enjoyable. Even on the same planet, they can make extra zones so people can choose.

Recruit PvP gear is available for credits. That said, I disagree with the OP. Unranked war zones must be completely accessible to all players. If you, the OP, think you are so leet and can only roll with people decked out in expertise gear, go play in RANKED war zones where teams actually take that into account.

I absolutely agree. I unsubbed a few hours before the F2P announcement. BioWare and EA as well as the fanbois are delusional to believe F2P will save this game. The problems that exist in game will still exist in F2P. Instead of fixing the problems, BioWare/EA only wants to make a quick buck rather than make the game sustainable in the long term. I used to love this game, and still really like the stories. But once you get to 50, this game is really bad. And levelling alts, as fanbois keep saying, won't cut it anymore since you have to do all the other content again and again just to get enough experience to progress in the class story. I am done with a game that is incredibly buggy and perform so poorly.

I've unsubbed several hours before they announced going to F2P for the various problems in this game. F2P just confirms my feeling that there are problems with this game, and BioWare/EA is more interested in turning a quick profit rather than invest in the quality of the game over the long term.

The only thing that was able to keep my playing was the story and companion line. I doubt EA will invest more money to expand the story significantly unless they really "nerf" companion involvement to minimize voice acting costs.

LOTRO still releases expansion packs since they went F2P that included major changes (i.e. skirmishes, revamp of lowbie areas/abilities, etc.). Though Turbine and BW/EA are two different companies so who knows.

QFT. Seriously, I would be pissed if hood down Jedi robes are only available in the shop.