Before games weren't so easy, but now every game makes you believe you are a hero, superhero, its easy to do, you die few times at best. I remember first Commandos, that was crazy stuff, Commandos 2 were easier, better also because you had more options what to do, but you just could shoot everything down. Same with other games, they became capitalistic good, not only crazy geek stuff . So now they are being sold to huge masses, there is not a player who wanted to be different and wanted a challenge in there, its for everyone. And most people want to relax and have easy play, so thats why it is that way. At least thats what I think.

In huttball sorc can pull friendly with ball, merc / jugger / mara can jump on enemy on line when he is down, siths can also use theirs speed buff with the ball. Every class has something. Sniper has different roll. Scoundrel / Operative class has low survivability in dps spec already, if you take them this "unfair advantage" you can delete whole class as it is. Bioware should take all stuns, traps, slows, stealth, rolls, pulls, pushes, speed skills from warzone. Well we might just go play poker online.

Hey everyone, before you tell me that dps scoundrels are not viable spec (like I haven't heard it before ) consider the fact that I like that spec, its the class I enjoy playing so much I don't want to reroll. Is there any experienced scoundrel / operative who could point out some cool ways how to stay alive longer / survive better in ranked arenas? Since I noted that if the enemy team goes for me first, which they usualy do, I can die so fast its not even funny. And I mean proper focus when that team doesn't go for someone else when I roll or cloak - than its "easy" to survive. I also have commando and shadow, both with worse PvP equip yet I don't have that big issue to survive with them longer. I'm aware that Scoundrel / Operative dps survability issue is here long time but there should be a way to survive better than I did. I also know its the issue with not knowing all the enemy skills and cooldowns so I probably used my cc breaker wrong. Still I believe there is someone skilled enough who could make some pointers which would be effective. P.S. I've read also the top 3 questions on this topic and the answer that we are "shady" class when both dps specs are more or less melee doesn't make any sense. Because if we are so shady class we should have as much stealth as thief has in Guild Wars 2, where he is invisible pretty much all the time. Than I would understand, but we don't have that ability. So against good teams where they focus me everytime I come out of stealth this class is viable only as training dummy or a decoy. And even that only for very short period of time.

Not really. I don't want to wait for PvP at map where when I go back from warzone it's loading forever.

Lol really? Don't you want to have one topic for all the videos? Or do you have to create always new topic for every crapy video you make? You realize this ain't facebook do you.

Maybe yes, maybe not. Someone said BW doesn't have good networking for it, other guy said that code actualy allows it. Who knows. But other games have it right at start, did Bioware think that they won't need it because theirs servers will be so full of people that one server will be enough? Or did they just do poor job on things which could lead to cross server, maybe they are just lazy to do it now because they don't see it would make them lot of money. Or maybe from theirs experience PvP player doesn't pay as much as PvE player. Just look at GSF, why they did that? PvP is actualy something you do with your avatar, what can be used in open world. GSF is sort of another game which doesn't have almost anything in common with SWTOR. You don't even fly your own ship there which you use to travel around space, you had to get new ships for it.

Yes, many people say that in Counter Strike about people who kill them by one shot while they trying to hit them, reload twice and still no hit. Kinda like your screenshots from warzones.

Actualy it makes sense. If he is trying to get to ranked wz what else he is supposed to do while waiting till his stim wears off before he gets another wz queue invite.

I like this game a lot I came back few months ago and since than I'm playing a lot but lack of communication from Bioware is very lame and is an issue. Because it exactly shows what you say, they don't care. Even when there was some trouble with server and it went down, I haven't found anything on launcher or twitter. On forums were some topics about it and I had to look hard to find it. I'm not saying its always but thats my experience. In other games there is usualy thing or two written on launcher if something is messed up, also there is something on twitter. They might be working hard to fix the issue or maybe to balance PvP or whatever else they are working on. But we don't see that. Thats why devs or moderators or whoever from company should tell us what is going on. People will at least know. On GW 2 forums they usualy wrote some diplomatic answer which didn't tell much (at least in topics I was reading), but still, you had a feeling they go through that, they listen to the playerbase, even if they wouldn't do as that or this topic asks them. At least people know they are here. Damn even on free servers for some games where people didn't get payed and made those servers themselfs and had to work hard in theirs free time to maintain it, they were talking to the players. EDIT: Even if they would just say "We don't care about PvP at all." We would at least know.

Well I know I still need to learn a lot about PvP despite my 70 valor - thats nothing tho. And I think you are right, the issue is not overall damage but that one AoE crazy dps skill. I think for PvE its perfect thing but for PvP.. P.S. In PvP non-premade, even premade, there is chaos in battle always. So sooner or later there is a change people come closer together.

Oh no! What a brilliant idea, why I haven't thought of that. Oh wait, I did. What if you are melee class, what if there is 3 smashers close together (I've seen that more than once) focusing together. What if you are helping you mate by stuning the enemy close to him or interupting him, what if.. As you see there is more than one reason to be closer together and since smash can jump at you... Other AoE abilities are casted (not sure if all), but with my commando yes. Except that plastic bomb which detonates after few sec and doesn't do so much dmg. Smash is instant, also easily made 100% crit.

Ok, if its L2P issue you seem to be the guy who knows how to avoid Smash skill, you can tell us than. We'd appreciate good advice.

How about Sorc and his bubble? Commando and his defensive skill -25% dmg he gets, cant be interupted for some time. I'm not sure about Sorc/Sage but I know that Commando doesn't have any insta heal that would be free of cost and no cooldown. Sure Scoundrel needs upper hand but he has so many ways to get it that you see them rarely cast any heals.

Sorry to disrupt your awesome talk but only "valid" complaint against premades is when you get 8 ppl from same guild in a match. Which happened to me only once so far, not sure how often you encounter that, but I can live with the fact that sometimes it happens. No other "valid" complaint against premades exists.

So maybe do the thing that some skills are different in PvP and in PvE? Because smash in PvP is really ridiculous.

Like someone said in previous topic about this, just paraphrasing "I cry because this game is not like WoW." Problem is scound / op healer has so many crazy heal skills he can do almost anything unless focused properly. But other healers are much more easier to interupt since they don't have so crazy insta heals. Stealth is not an issue.

I must thx the OP for nice christmass gift. I've always played with my scoundrel only dps or heal. Today after this "whine / troll" post I tried hybrid, awesome.

Exactly. If they wouldn't promote PvP with trailer, with PvP zone in Gree event, two kinds of PvP equip, expertise, ranked etc. Its not that they think this game is PvE, its just all they do is marketing and no action. Its same when something happens. Nothing on twitter or in launcher. Its like they have information embargo on everything. Why bother to have forums anyway?

Well if BW can't deal with some trolls and insulting posts than what the hell are they doing making an MMO?

Well with roll I haven't had an issue so far. Tho I died and couldn't revive, got knocked back by sniper, couldn't move etc. But it both happened so far only once to me. 5 minutes for one leave, 15 for second stack etc. and maybe after two or three hours reset that.

Yea I agree. I'm quite wondering myself about why there is no penalty for leaving warzones.

Well of course people are going to say BW sux because they are ignoring them. Communication with playerbase is what makes MMOs better games, not ignorance. Maybe if they would start paying attention to forums and talking to people they might actualy find out that it might be nice way how to improve theirs game. Of course some forum moderaters should be involved.

Yes that is truth. But is it better to leave every warzone because there is the guy I really won't play with? I don't think there is a lot of people who would ignore half of the server. Those "elite" individuals would understand fast after queuing for an hour for one warzone.

Yea I've met a guy in flashpoint who just tried to ninja everything, even tho he had great equip etc. Don't like greedy bastards, so I added him to my ignore list - I have there only 4 people, so I don't ignore lot of people, its rare for me, two of those people gave ignore to me. Tho with this greedy guy I just don't want to play at all. I've met him in a week 5 times in a wz. Not fun. xD

Its not about I don't want to see what they say, I don't want to play with them. Isn't it in PvE that ignored players can't be matched with you in group finder?