Xfire is a joke, who uses xfire? Where is TOR on their list? Not even top ten? Everyone is bored of TOR and it is totally dead then by your correlation?

While it is an "older" statement, it was said and publicly that the game was a miss and nothing to write home about. That sounds poor. If the game was going good, or OK even, im sure they would have used other verbs or adjectives to describe the game. The new 250,000 to profit number you suggested is something I have never seen. Could you link ? I know they slashed the programmers and develops off the team for a second surprise layoff, but that just seems to indicate that they were not happy at all with the performance of the game.

Anyone trying to indicate that the players are in any way responsible for the way the content was released is really stretching what even fanboys would accept as a possiblity. How many fans were involved in coding this patch? Sure, a piece of software will have some bugs, but lets take stock of what they added. 1 OP, player moods, and the funniest part is the shadow "optimizations" that seem to have caused a lot of problems. After 5 months time, you think they could have gotten this smoothed out? Im really curious to see how F2P and the associated content will launch. If nothing else, It should be hilarious.

The game was new, and exclaimed that they would be releasing content regularly- monthly even, and never came through. Then, they decided to restructure the game, and all of the promised content was turned into pay to play, with the exception of a few areas that they will trickle out one by one at a stated "every 6 weeks". I think that is the point of contention. GW2 has an entirely different structure. You can go anywhere in the world at any time from start to finish and do content, as opposed to TOR you must follow the rails specifically, and any planet you have passed on the rails offers now offers no more challenge. And the game was made without relying "celebrety actors" on cutscenes for every single little quest, so the development time for new content should be significantly shorter. GW2 has yet to see their first content release post launch, we will see how that is handled in the upcoming weeks.

I do not agree that they said it was not on rails. Or that they said the current space game is a place holder. They said it was a completely new pixel space, and revolutionary- given the track record of hype that excedes the end product by miles, a new pixel space could mean anything. Maybe they are working on a space project, though what good does it do to not confirm that indeed they are working on a new iteration of in game space flight? If it is slated far out in the games life, then sure that makes sense in some regard. Though it seems more detrimental. A lot of people who were interested in the game have already left, and unlike me probably do not check in to see if there are any updates. If they were to add space, they would have to put out a massive campaign of advertisement to let people know, and I do not think they have the commited funding at this point given the words that were used to describe the game by the suits.

The majority of people posting are in favor of adding a space component, and looking for real quotes from devs to speculate over- no one here is claiming they have the definitive answer from a "birdie" insider. I want a 3d controllable space component, so your contention is misguided. If you could point me to some offical release that says the SSSP is off rails and immersive, I would gladly concede that my opinion and perception was wrong.

It was probably removed because he was telling everyone he knew a developer that was telling him inside information. And then posted links to a star wars theme mod of the game he insisted would be similar to the SSSP. All he was doing was posting wishful thinking, and claiming it was fact.

Yes it seems like a great system.

Very vague, and really could mean anything. Revolutionary you say? How about the first on rails space shooter with a story component? He could mean that they are putting guild capital ship in the outlying areas surrounding the fleets. Which would be an entirely different pixel space, but not that exciting really.

Then no one will be able to log in !

You have to be zoomed in very close to see any sort of facial feature, so yes it is a very very niche group of people that will be happy about this content. Maybe they will put it in the cartel shop for coins?

I have never tried WOW. As someone looking at it from the outside, I see two disturbing things about the new expansion. Number 1: Wow - >Shark) - Pandas The panda expansion is clearly a jump the shark moment for that game. Its done, what could possibly come next? Number 2: Pandas, pokemon gameplay, farmville. To me it looks like blizzard is pandering to little kids to play the game to get them "hooked" and ready to sub to WoW 2 when they are older. It reminds me of cigarette companies that used to target kids with cartoon character advertisments.

Who said the game is dead? There are enough die hards to keep it going. Its a star wars game, it will have followers regardless of how it plays or the content. But thats not what the discussion is here, stop being so negative. I think the poster who said the SSP may still be in development, but tenuously is likley correct. They are not releasing even the smallest detail, probably because if F2P does not generate a certain level of income, it could very well be nixxed.

There was nothing wrong with the star wars fighting game.

Link me to a transcript, I cannot find one, besides this Forbes write up that is really negative http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2012/08/15/what-star-wars-the-old-republic-gamescom-presentation-was-missing/ What did they say in the presentation? A vague, "yes we are still working on the super secret space project?"

I want a developer to come in and say they are still working on a space project, that is not on rails. When the game was fresh, new and full of promise, the idea that there was a "super secret space project" made a lot of peoples imaginations run wild. There were lots of promises. And then nothing. It would be redundant to go and find the links to the article of them saying the game would never be F2P, or that content would be coming on a regular cadence, or even the devs commenting on the double tiered "restructuring". You know those comments were made, you are online here everyday. If the developers were working on something as fantastic and integral to the star wars universe as 3d space combat, you can bet they would come and drop hints. They have said nothing about the "super secret space project" being a new style space combat/exploration.

Im well aware that it could be monetized severely, I never said they could not, do you have a reading comprehension problem? My point was, why would they bother adding a completely new expensive programmed feature when they can just use the development kit they have in place and keep rolling out the same style content they already have in game for cheap labor? Its Star Wars : The Outsourced Republic! Sure it would be great for the "fans" if they released something with as much potential as 3d space content, but this game is no longer even disguised as a game made for the fans, its now a cash shop gambling machine.

I agree, adding space combat would have been the way to get more subs. Though you really think they will add 3d space combat now? After F2P? How would that work? The free players are not allowed to play the space portions, only subs? The space content would have to be spectacular to make people sub for that reason alone. I do not think that would happen, they would have to come up with a way to monetize it and really I do not think they care much about subs any longer- its more about squeezing money out of the cash shoppers.

The new super secret space project, is the new on-rails missions you have to buy in a pack, for cartel coins.

With the cash shop being added into the game, and the proceding trickle of new content that will be following, I think it is safe to say that something as game changing as Free Flight and requiring a lot of new programming work is likely canned. I do not often gamble, though I bet that the "new" content that will be released for the rest of the games lifespan will be more of what is in the game currently- things that could be monetized, ie warzones, ops, and occasionally a new planet when they want to make an "expansion". I wish the game the best, but it looks like it is what it is.

None of that is true. For me, there are no login issues, no security problems, never been banned, no combat lag even with hundreds of people fighting, and no problem with the game running. Im sure that some people could have issues running a game because of the various differences in built machines, but GW2 kills SWTOR in terms of how well it runs. For me TOR ran subpar, but GW2 is all high settings and consistant impressive framerate.

Thats a horrible model of allowing a friending someone. Good luck OP!

I would not disagree, there will be a revenue spike. More people in game = more potential money. Plus all the diehards will overspend in the cartel shop, if there is any sort of playable content available. A freemium model is not necessarilly a winning ticket, it remains to be seen how it will be pulled off- and this game was not designed from the ground up as a freemium content game, they built it as a sub based model. Its hard to believe that they will pull off a big turn around win at this point. Sure, the game will remain available online, but not as the big ticket game it should and could have been.

The new stuff is in the gamble boxes.

Is that really how it works? They have to remove the friend on both sides of the list? Seems odd, I would think that if one person removed the other from their list, then the name would disappear from the list. And then further, you would have to reaccept the friend request for them to get back on your list.