We dont have any reason to tbh cuz regardless of your rating whatever it may be, your guild still got owned at least 10 times (and thats only counting the big fights) by a PuG if anyone here is submitting to anyone's will it should be you and your guild.... btw i noticed recently that your guild has had something of an exodus... i wonder why... Updated: Just looked up your rating and loled, nothing special.

Nope, we didn't happen to post the times when an initially outnumbered PuG was wiped by a larger and better geared group all in the same guild. Also, the queueing for ranked excuse is amusing as well... why would you queue for ranked in the middle of a fight and then complain about being defeated? And no, quite frankly my guild cant go up against yours because it doesnt have the same manpower... but our group still wiped you out PLENTY of times! To be honest I really dont look at this as a guild vs guild kinda thing here but more as a persistent group of people doing what they can to remove a bunch of squatters from a place in which they dont belong (the Den). Also, on a finishing note, im not at all jealous of your guild... if i got paid to join i wouldnt do it, let alone actually want to do so. At the end, the only thing you really and fairly deserve credit for is for being able to get together a guild of bads, smack talkers and imbeciles and be able to get them together to try and take something... though most times you still failed miserably and got wrecked... by a PuG... -Sintark

Yea I've noticed this as well... I think the reason they came in and tried to take the Den was because they simply cannot compete in WZs and where expecting PvErs and lowbies to be the only ones that might try to oppose them so they could finally feel like they actually accomplished something... though they didn't accomplish even that cuz we pushed them right out lol.....

Also, just to remind you guys from apotheosis who ACTUALLY owns the Den take a peek at the following videos: Not to mention that we rather swiftly evicted you from the Den today as well

Sure, if you would like to get owned you are welcome to come and try... I need more kills for that <I Am Death Incarnate> achievement anyways. -Sintark

First of all it would be rather obvious to an unbiased observer that we dominated you MANY times during the fights we had. You cannot possibly compare the numbers a group with voice comms and geared players and a PuG with various and in some situations gear that was not quite appropriate to the situation, would need to win such fights. Given the circumstances, I think it is rather unfortunate that we had managed to push you out and dominate your group for the time periods we did. If you require an example as to when we had dominated (quite a lot of times) and quite obviously so, you can find one on the PvP forums where multiple videos of various parts of the fight have been posted. Also, to be honest, as I had said a few times in game when these fights where occurring, it is quite amusing to see an Apotheosis member complaining about being outnumbered since when you outnumbered us you where quick to talk **** but when you where defeated (and by a PuG too) you guys where sure quick to whine, complain and rage about being outnumbered. -Sintark

and not just once but multiple times too in fact i think i lost count lol... the saddest thing about it though is that we wiped apotheosis (all in the same guild and i think it would be quite safe to say all in VoiP) with a PuG... on quite a few occasions... -Sintark