Pandamonium still has 70+ active raiders committed to raid teams, with new MMOs coming out in the next few months its quite possible some spots will be open for those needing a new guild, but even if you don't want to commit to a team, there's open guild runs on other nights (usually twice a week for different content). There's also been more interest in PvP going into the next Ranked season, so check out the website and see if it might be the right fit for you!

We've had quite a few new players join recently and even some interest in starting an afternoon team for those of you that work evenings or live on the other side of the Atlantic! Keep those applications coming in!

There are currently 7 raid spots open across the 9 teams, as well as some fun guild activity events being planned.

10/10 in progression. Still spots open on various of the 9 raid teams. Also a 16 man alt/comms run clear on all SM content on Friday that gave 120+ ultimate comms in ~3 hours. And random SM groups being put together most nights. So plenty of raid options even if you aren't looking to join a team.

This thread's format is ugly. the rules are crap, and I don't really care to be a part of your revenge ploy against x-raided. Please remove my group from this thread.

With 8 groups, openings for spots come and go fairly often. People switch roles and what not. The best thing to do is join the guild, get to know some people and sub into raids whenever you get a chance and you'll find yourself in a team (or start a new one). There is currently a tank spot open but by the time you apply and get in, it could potentially be full. Usually teams recruit from within guild first so if you want a guaranteed spot before you join...probably not the right guild... There are chances to raid all the time though, just finished doing 16 man SaV on alts for fun. There's often people doing things night in and out on non-raid team characters to keep themselves busy.

Okay got it. You guys were unaware of my friendship/direct communication with the OP (how would you be aware of it though), so my reply made you mad cause you thought I was was just some random douche. However, this was not the case. I found out that the last update the OP was going to make was the Revenant kills and then close the thread, and then got involved on the behalf of a very busy friend.

Still got the order wrong, but I can see that you don't believe things that you haven't had proven to you. Thread was dead before anyone fired back (I recieved a text about it before noon today) it was dead with those 3 posts (and related PMs) saying to give hmd credit without showing the full team being guild tagged (which has been an expectation of new teams) and take away credit from X-Raided, from players outside of the guild. I don't know if it was any one of the three posts or PMs or maybe the combinaton of them... and I didnt ask what the PMs were about, I was just sad for Nox cause people have always made managing this thread not worth the hassle and it really wasn't fair imo. I can see why you would be upset with me, but I was just presenting the info I had received from Nox (who was too busy to reply at the time) ala the "That's not how it works" post. LIke I said in the past posts, I believe you guys in the kills, but it provides future scenarios or people not proving they have 8 guilded players. For example, one or two people could quit a guild and make a new one and take a picture of all the lockouts and make a picture like the ones you guys did. I know you guys didn't do that, but come on...you didn't even come close for what is expected of you to get credit, then also request other people's kills be taken away? Just came across as really petty and shows a lack of long term vision. YOu can pretend all you want that I played a role in this, but I know the truth, and so does the OP. I only got involved on behalf of a friend after the decision had been made to stop updating it. I don't like people making drama for my friend and have out of respect of that friendship stayed away from speaking up in past, once the thread was declared dead to me...no point in keeping my mouth shut.

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Thanks for backing up my point about achievements not being a good mark for proof. As for the rest of it, they're the ones that do care, they care enough that they want progression taken away from a former guild.

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It was done before I ever entered the thread, and that's the only reason I got involved. You were being bossy, just because you were being polite and saying please doesn't mean you weren't telling someone how to manage their own thread. You should probably know better then to assume you are the first group of 8 players to leave a guild. For example, Stay Thirsty went 3/4 NiM Denova before they split from Legion of Squirrels and the LoS dates stayed up. Just cause its personal between hmd and x-raided leaders doesn't mean the rules should be changed. There is nothing proving the kills other then 2 people's lockouts, and 1 of those 2 people stated that the kills were made before hmd was even made into a guild (confusing cause the other people said 6 kills were made before and 1 after but whatever).

There was more than just this thread, I talk to her quite a bit and she told me she was done with this updating this thread before I ever posted (and would update the Revenant stuff on her Word Doc to pass on to the next person). There are constant PMs from people to Nox arguing what should be counted and what should be taken down etc and the early posts regarding hmd vs x-raided \ was the straw that broke the back. I probably could have stayed out of it, because I really don't care what gets counted and what doesn't. The thing I did care about was Nox and the fact that people were once again bossing Nox around (yourself included) about what should and shouldn't be counted was frustrating to me.

Cause they were right?

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Don't confuse my boredom with caring. Grats on proving to x-raided that your group isn't a bunch of elitist *******es.

Not making up excuses and soemone else already posted the lockout which I referenced like 2-3 posts ago. I think you are an idiot if you thought that was the point of my post. Try to think a bit more. I already talked to Nox and I already know she doesn't plan to update your kills btw. So its kind of pointless to argue, I agree. Though I knew this before I even replied the first time.

1. The last boss in SaV is not difficult at all. Any boss that is able to be learned in less then an hour is not difficult. 2. It doesn't matter why you left actually. The rules for the progression are the rules. Full team guild tagged, submits screenshot. The rule was altered to allow those KNOWN to kill things in full guild teams to just show their lockout. If we did it your way, I could just go make a new guild and post my lockout and that guild would be 7/7. Obviously it can't work like that. You guys need to have the proof that you have a full 8 person hmd team, I really don't think thats unfair. I do believe you guys did all of this, but it would open the door for people to claim similar things and not have to show proof. I'm going to say achievements shouldnt even count a little bit, those are legacy wide and I see a lot of people with TGO tags in the new hmd guild, how can anyone know if that achievement was earned on what character? That could be more of an issue going forward as people leave teams and join new ones.

I can speak a bit on this, not saying you have to do it the way I do it or my team/guild does, just clarifying cause you said you don't understand. For my raiding is just part of why I play. I'm a member of Pandamonium and on the raid team that cleared it. I wouldn't say the rest of the guild is 100 scrubs at all, they are fine to go through the content at their own pace, taking time to enjoy it, some of the teams are real life friends and some are people that just recently start playing the game (or playing again). In fact a lot of the other teams have fantastic players that I would consider as good or better then myself at their specific role. But back to the point, the reason I am in that guild is because when we are not raiding (which is 5 days a week, ie most nights), I need people to play with, well maybe not need, but enjoy having people to play with. There are generally 30+ people on every night and there is always something going on. Lowbie pvp, 55 pvp, seeker droids, alt raids, flashpoints, world bosses, and often enough a team raiding with a member absent that I can fill in on an alt. It's nice being able to build teams to do all of the things I want with good people that I've gotten to know and not have to deal with general chat and get a random stranger that might not get along or have a clue what they are doing. It's not about progression for these guilds usually, its about having something to do when there is nothing to do for progression. Which in this game, is most of the time.

Thats up to them. They had it killed under their tag. I think it's up to X-Raided if they want that progression removed or not. IF it was me, I would probably removed it, but its not up to people that quit the guild to removed a team's progression. If 1 person that was on TGO's server first kill quit and asked for that kill to be taken down, or 2 members, or 3....just saying its a slippery slope. To me its up to the guild that had the quitting members to update their progression fairly. You've already made it known that the current guild teams cannot do it. Petty as it was, it surely shames them enough.

Thats not how it works. You can't remove progression from another guild. If they asked for it then fine, but those kills were under that tag, they stay there. Also "I promise I'm not lying" isn't good enough. You need the screenshots, which were provided later but do not even show 8 hmd MAGENTA players as clearing the content and since a screenshot has never been provided of a team full of hmD MAGENTA players I think its fair to question if these kills should be counted without a full team. What a pair of petty posts.

Pandamonium has at least 6 raid teams farming TFB HM and most of those teams are a boss or two deep in NiM EC, with one having earned the NiM Title from Denova. That is over 40 players a week clearing Terror HM and it'll be over 50 shortly! Though you don't have to be a hardcore raider to fit in, there are plenty of people in the guild with varying interests!

Thanks, Master Kulik.

If you guys are still looking, I could do those raid times on a non-Tues/Thurs (as I raid 9-12 Eastern) those nights and have a friend from the team that also stays up pretty late that could also be a good fit.

A timed clear with a Juggy tank, nice! I thought that wasn't supposed to be possible...