But the Emperor didn't send Vader out to hunt down Jedi...not much, anyway (any would've been in the "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" book, pretty much)... what was accomplished with Order 66 and Vader's attack on the temple was sufficient to break the Jedi Order and drive any remaining Jedi into hiding, removing them as a threat. Individually (or in small groups), they were essentially powerless against Palpatine's schemes and the might of the Empire. Only Obi-Wan & Yoda posed a threat as they had two things the other survivors didn't: knowledge of the Skywalker twins, and a plan to use them and trust in the Force. Everyone else was left adrift, to find their own way of survival. Most just adopted new lives and kept out of the way. Some attempted to strike back, and were largely struck down. The Kessel group may have succeeded if they all knew the plan, and if the 501st wasn't sent by Palpatine to back up Vader (who went there AGAINST Palpatine's orders, because the Jedi leaked info that Obi-Wan was gonna join the group at Kessel in order to lure him there). Ben's line in A New Hope about Vader helping to hunt down & destroy the Jedi was largely taken to mean "Vader was sent out by the Emperor to kill the Jedi over the course of the Dark Times"... but the PT changed that, with Vader's main role in Jedi-slaying happening at the Temple, and with the assistance of hundreds of soldiers. The EU responded accordingly, with having THAT be Palpatine's master stroke in removing the Jedi as a threat by removing the Jedi Order itself. It had nothing to do with sending Vader on trips around the galaxy to ferret out hidden Jedi and slay 'em. That's how it stands now. That's how it's possible for guys like Quinlan Vos and Kai Hudorra to survive. They hide, and essentially quit being Jedi as all it'd do is get them killed. That's why it's possible that Vader's suit and prosthetics hinder his skills rather than enhance them. Lucas has said since '99, I think, that in the OT we only saw an old man, a half-trained kid, and an awkward cyborg fighting, which is why the saber duels in the PT were so full of flashy moves & acrobatics. THOSE duels were Jedi and Sith in their prime; Vader in the OT was NOT in his prime. Powerful in the dark side, yes, but physically he wasn't as agile, and his saber skills not at their peak. EDIT: added a 'the' and removed a 'been' to fix a couple errors

The way the game is designed now, with companions & storylines, I don't see Wookiees fitting in. They threw it Bowdaar so a Smuggler has a Wookiee companion, as it should be. But if they were to add 'em as playable, they'd need their own storyline (or, at least, a new storyline that could also encompass some other new species too, with companions unique to the new story). Rodians, tho... we need some. And Sullustans. And both speak Basic (I haven't seen Rodian yet in-game that does, but we see 'em do it in The Clone Wars; and there's at least one Sullustan NPC who speaks basic on Rep Taris)

What? No... c'mon, now. Mara's good, but there's only one Jedi that'd make Yoda & Obi-Wan quake in their robes: Kyle Katarn.

They probably wouldn't have approved of her background, but her actions during & after the Thrawn crisis, over 10 years leading up to them realizing they were perfect for each other, would've probably curbed most of Ben & Yoda's doubts.

Yes and no... there's an Ewok figure from a 3-pack based on a Marvel Comics issue, and they gave the figure the name Kettch. But in-universe the character doesn't exist as Janson made him up... ...until Kolot came along. The joke/story of Kettch led to a warlord experimenting on a real Ewok, turning it into a pilot (at least of shuttles).

Info on Vectivus is suspect, as it all came from Lumiya. Even the 'spirit' of Vectivus could've been a manipulated illusion. It's unfortunate, because I kinda liked the idea of a benevolent Sith who wasn't all twisted & evil in general; I haven't read the Plagueis book yet, but from Palpatine's description of him as "Plagueis the Wise" and how he could stop loved ones from dying in ROTS, I liked the idea that maybe Plagueis was more interested in knowledge and protecting those around him than in conquering the galaxy, and that's why Sidious killed him to get the Banite plan back on track. I haven't even flown to Dromund Kaas yet, but I'm looking forward to taking my lowbie LS Sith Warrior through the storyline, and meeting up with that one Jedi who'll help you and leave you as a friend.

Nope, that's before Thrawn, too (there's one or two X-wing books that DO take place after Thrawn). The early Wraith books lead into Solo's hunt for Zsinj, which leads into Courtship of Princess Leia. THIS! You missed out, so how can you judge? Most who've read 'em seem to think they're among the best of the '90s EU. And you'd rather he skip the X-wing books and wander right into the 'literary genius' of Children of the Jedi and The Crystal Star on his trek through the EU timeline? If anything, Children of the Jedi, Darksaber, Planet of Twilight, The Crystal Star, and maybe Black Fleet Crisis are better to skip if you're trying to cut out a big chunk of post-ROTJ reading. I've only read two of those, but have heard SO MUCH BAD about all of them (while I've NOT heard "so much bad" about the X-wing books). But skipping 'the Callista era' means being unfamiliar with Callista during Fate of the Jedi... I can only imagine the FOTJ authors put enough in to bring new readers up to speed on Callista's history with Luke, though.

Mara Jade doesn't think that was really Palpatine anyway... I prefer to think of him as an echo (tho I'd really prefer the whole Dark Empire saga be removed from the EU and placed in a bubble-universe, since it doesn't mesh well with the Thrawn Trilogy and the characterization doesn't really mesh with the rest of the EU)

That only really applied for ANH, where Lucas said there was no underwear in space so Carrie had to be taped down, basically... he had a lot of weird ideas back then, like the whole Leia torture scene which was REALLY uncomfortable for Carrie (being held upside down, etc). One of Lucas' problems is he'll make offhand remarks that aren't meant to be taken seriously...but then they are. Like Conan Antonio Motti being Admiral "Rebels hidden fortre--<choke>" Motti's real name. And it's really tough to tell which is which, since even he doesn't know, it seems.

No, you're right... the Jedi WERE too restrictive like that. Yoda was starting to realize it, and I think he had an idea of what--or whom--Anakin was talking about when Anakin brought up the dreams. Yoda may have felt that confronting Anakin with the knowledge or suspicion that Anakin had a thing for Padme would cause Anakin--who has proven volatile & reckless in the past--to close himself off from the other Jedi, to get defensive and even MORE secretive and potentially act more rashly...which he did anyway. Yoda made a mistake in doing that, and in merely counseling the rote "let go of attachments" teachings of the post-Ruusan Jedi. Luke's method worked a lot better, but of course that's because the EU writers WANTED his method to work well, and Lucas WANTED the Prequel Jedi to be dogmatic monastic jerks.

Not really; the Wraith Squadron segment of the X-wing series gives you some backstory (written well after the fact) on the Warlord Zsinj stuff from Courtship of Princess Leia (Han working with the Wraiths to track him down). I never read Courtship, but after finishing the Wraith books I kinda wanted to, just to see Zsinj's downfall. HOWEVER, the X-wing books are great reads. Lots of fun, focusing on Wedge Antilles, Wes Janson, Derek "Hobbie" Klivian (all pilots from the OT), Corran Horn, Tycho Celchu, Garik "Face" Loran, etc. Not much Jedi action, but it'll set you up nicely for later when you read the Jedi Academy Trilogy and--more importantly--"I, Jedi". Corran has some Jedi action in the X-wing books, then "I, Jedi" sees him doing some more serious training a few years later intertwined with the storyline of the Jedi Academy Trilogy, but with lots of Rogue Squadron activity as well. You'd be doing yourself a disservice to skip 'em if it's GOOD EU you're after; Stackpole and Allston wrote some of the best of the '90s.

director...? No, Stan Lee doesn't direct. Or even write movies. He's the writer & co-creator of a TON of Marvel classics, tho he's been retired from writing any of the Marvel comics for decades pretty much (he was editor-in-chief for a couple decades, until '72, then became publisher). He makes cameos in just about all of the Marvel films since his name has become synonymous with "Marvel Comics" and he was the public face of Marvel for so long. He appears in cameo as a nod to his overall contribution to the Marvel Universe (creating and/or writing so many of its most memorable characters--as well as many forgettable ones, too, of course).

Anakin's in-laws are on Naboo, not Tatooine... (well, okay, he has a step-sister-in-law there) Anakin hated Tatooine. There was no reason to return to it, now that his mother's gone. Vader buried everything "Anakin" away, so even visiting the grave of his mother was out of the question. And he wasn't very 'familiar' with Owen & Beru; he met 'em one day, said good-bye to them the next pretty much. All he knew was "My mom's grave is on the Lars farm, where I have a step-brother that seems a decent sort." Going back there as Vader would probably just freak out Cliegg, Owen, whoever was around... then he'd probably have to kill them, and whatever WAS left of Anakin probably wouldn't have wanted that. He could've gone back to wipe out ALL the Tuskens, but the Emperor probably forbid it as a wasteful and/or trivial use of his power. So, he hates sand... it gets everywhere, and would be tough to get outta his Vader-suit. His mom's gone, his rage over her death spent. There's no reason for him to go back. Obi-Wan's only been to Tatooine once (outside TCW; not sure if he visited in the movie/series) back when Anakin was first found, and Obi-Wan pretty much only stayed around the ship. Vader would have no reason to think that Obi-Wan would go to Tatooine to hide, especially considering there's THOUSANDS of worlds he could've chosen. And Vader figured his child was dead; he didn't even know about twins. So there was no reason to look for a Skywalker kid ANYWHERE. And even if one popped up, there's no guarantee it'd be related to him. It's a big galaxy. Skywalker doesn't have to be the 'Smith' of the GFFA to pop up in one or two other places among TRILLIONS of sentients. Now, if he heard about a Skywalker kid living with his step-brother, that might seem suspicious... but it's possible they named their kid 'Skywalker' in honor of Owen's late step-mother as well as his step-brother, the Hero of the Republic from the Clone Wars. But the TRUE answer is that at the time ANH was written (when it wasn't even called "A New Hope", let alone "Episode IV"), Darth Vader and Luke's father were two SEPARATE characters. Remember, in the ANH script it's NEVER said that Obi-Wan TAUGHT Luke's father; Ben says he "was once a Jedi Knight, the same as [Luke's] father" and that Luke's dad was a great pilot, a cunning warrior, and a good friend. Only Vader is mentioned as Ben's pupil, and it's implied that Vader was still a student when he turned to the dark side. So, Luke's father was DEAD. Vader would have no reason to hunt down a kid named Skywalker, even if he was the son of the Skywalker Vader betrayed & murdered. The Jedi were gone, there'd be nobody to train him. It was only later he realized Obi-Wan was still alive (remember, even Tarkin scoffed at the notion). And it was only after Ben's voice started talking to Luke in the Death Star trench that Vader commented "the Force is strong in this one". It's not until the end of ESB's title crawl that we find out Vader's learned about 'Skywalker', and so he probably put 2 & 2 together that Obi-Wan must have trained Skywalker's son, as it was too much a coincidence that the freighter that brought Obi-Wan to the Death Star also led the DS to the Rebel base, where a Force-strong pilot destroyed it.

Not true; he WAS in all 3. I forget exactly where he is in Fellowship (in Bree, probably), but in The Two Towers he's guarding the gate of Helm's Deep. You see a closeup of him yelling and throwing/thrusting something at some Uruk-Hai. Then he's on the black corsair ship in ROTK, but you only get a decent look at him in the Extended Edition (I think the regular version has one shot of the corsair ships before they arrive at the battle... could be that was only in EE, too) What was said on the first page that WAS false, however, was George Lucas in TPM. He was in Revenge of the Sith, not The Phantom Menace, as Baron Papanoida.

Also, when Luke got married it was BEFORE the Prequels. In the '90s EU, with the old Jedi and Clone Wars and basically everything from the eventual prequel-era was off-limits, the in-universe explanation for Luke's 'ignorance' of rules that hadn't even been invented yet was that Palpatine had buried or destroyed as much evidence & history of the Jedi Order as he could. So Luke basically was making it up as he went along, finding the occasional holocron or file about them, learning what he could from survivors like Kam Solusar, etc. But, ultimately, the Prequel rules don't apply. It took decades to change their minds about much of it, but Yoda & Obi-Wan realized they did a lot of things wrong; it was hard to change their minds about EVERYTHING (like the notion that you can be saved from the dark side after you've fallen, but their warnings weren't so much against Luke trying to turn Vader back as warnings so Luke wouldn't fall, himself!), but they didn't feel the need to drive home the attachment/relationship teachings, or the whole 'there is NO emotion' that so many people here latch onto... especially since they were mostly just prepping Luke as a weapon against the Sith. Yoda knew emotion was okay. Probably most Jedi in the PT did, it's just fan interpretation that emotion was forbidden because the Code says "no emotion". As Yoda's reaction to seeing Padme alive at the start of AOTC and his teachings to Luke in ESB indicate, it's not emotion that's bad, it's acting out of emotion with the Force. The Force is best used when calm, at peace, etc... and emotions, against the Sith, could be used against the Jedi. That's why Ben told Luke to bury his feelings, though he didn't condemn him for having them.

I like it. I like Hett's path to becoming Darth Krayt. I like his philosophy for the One Sith. The only things I didn't like was that pretty much EVERY Sith in his order had Darth Maul tats. EVERYONE was red & black except Krayt himself and Darth Nihl (who was black & chalk-white, probably just so it'd be obvious he was a Nagai from the old Marvel series instead of just another red-n-black human)... and the fact they all (except Reborn Krayt) used red sabers. Saber color was too limited in general during that series. There's also the Lost Tribe of the Sith, but they don't really count in the Banite order, or even in the Force's 'imbalance' since they weren't trying to create Sith'Ari that puts the Force outta whack requiring a Chosen One or trying to conquer the galaxy most of the time.

He wasn't saying Vader was a Sith'Ari... he's saying Vader--or, rather, Anakin--was created by the Force as a retaliation to Plagueis & Sidious ATTEMPTING to create another Sith'Ari.

Plenty DO speak Basic... most (if not all!) seen in The Clone Wars--INCLUDING Greedo--speak Basic. So does the Rodian senator Onaconda Farr (Padme's 'uncle'--tho he gets killed). No particular accent is required, certainly not Avaro's lisp. The player character being a Rodian that speaks Basic would still be 'special and unique' in that most/all Rodian NPCs aren't speaking Basic. I think 'expansions' is the right answer. Hopefully we'll see them as playable in the next couple years. It would be nice (probably expensive for the voice budget--but still not all THAT expensive overall) if they could record different voices for the classes, for when new species are added. A Rodian male Jedi Knight COULD work with the existing voice, but it's just not quite 'there'. A higher-register voice might be better. Smuggler wouldn't sound right, either. That's not to say I think they should be recorded in Huttese or anything--just a different-quality voice speaking 'Basic' that would better fit a Rodian (and maybe a 3rd voice for other species, too) Hopefully we'll get Rodians & Sullustans at the very least in this game! Weequay and Nikto could also be a lot of fun (tho, thanks to EU, Nikto would have TOO many custom options since they basically smooshed the red-skin leathery tube-face guys and the green-skin reptilians into one species, with EU adding a couple extra variations as well)

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You're thinking of Venom, from Spider-Man comics. He's vulnerable to sonic blasts. In some games, at the very least, Geonosians use sonic cannons... so that's probably why Jedi are 'vulnerable' to them: cuz a bunch got killed by 'em on Geonosis in AOTC, in theory.

We still need to see when/how Jag Fel becomes the Emperor. He's given up the Head of State position, married Jaina... now we need to see the transition for them, where they both decide--with or without reservations--that Jag taking the reins of the Empire fully & officially is a good idea, and for Jaina to theoretically start the Imperial Knights. That doesn't necessarily require a falling-out with Uncle Luke, but seeing a situation where the Jedi fail to act in the way Jaina would prefer would probably be part of the IKs' origin. But hopefully, we'll just see a few fun pulpy, serial-y adventures with Jag & Jaina on their 'honeymoon' getting involved in some smaller-scale threat, and maybe an adventure starring Ben where he's NOT just tagging along with ol' Pa Skywalker. And when they get to the dawn of the Fel Dynasty and the Knights of the Empire, hopefully it'll happen in a more enjoyable and smaller-scale story, not requiring galactic war and 9+ books to tell. The future and/or stability of the Empire could be at stake, but no reason to bring the Galactic Alliance into it.

I think you're mistaken about what "Original Superman" is... Original Superman could be hurt by lots of things. "Kryptonite" didn't exist. His powers were nothing more than the result of his species' being millions of years more advanced in evolution than humans. He could only leap 1/8th of a mile, run faster than an express train, and he had some superstrength, more akin to Spider-Man's than most Superman incarnations. And "nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin", which opens all kinds of possibilities for Luke to exploit, were he facing Original Superman. And if it came down to it, Original Superman would kill Luke. It was only later that Superman adopted the 'no kill' policy. That's why it's important to nail down WHICH Superman Luke would be facing... it's not just "Original" and "Modern". There's Original, Golden Age (which grew out of Original, changing & expanding a lot), Silver Age, pre-Crisis On Infinite Earths, post-Crisis "Man of Steel", post-Zero Hour, post-Birthright, post-Infinite Crisis (aka One Year Later), New Earth, and now New Universe. Plus alternate takes like various Elseworlds Supes (Red Son, where he's from an Earth billions of years in the future when the sun is a red giant and dying, sent back in time to the early 20th century where he lands in Russia) and All-Star Superman. And there's probably some non-Elseworld iterations I'm forgetting, too.

Revan would've made perfect sense, had his canonical ending been dark side. If he was a Sith Lord, having him pulled in to influence the Son would work. Doesn't matter that currently he doesn't exist in Lucas' own continuity--adding him into the show would've brought him into that continuity. Just because Lucas doesn't think much about anything ever happening outside the films and TCW, doesn't mean he can't go "Oh, okay, that's neat" and decide to use it in the show. There's just a good chance his "Oh, okay, that's neat" will be followed by "Let's use it and change everything", like Quinlan Vos

Revan didn't make sense, but Bane would've been interesting as it'd have given more fans a taste of Bane (not EVERYONE's read the novelizations or the Darth Bane books, or even heard his name). As for Ahsoka, I was against it, but I like where they've gone with her so far... similar to how I was initially REALLY against bringing Boba Fett into TCW thinking he'd be a one-note evil kid like in AOTC... but, no. He was actually concerned about the other clones a bit, and didn't really want to hurt anyone outside of Mace. It wound up working, and his reappearance in "Bounty" near the end of Season 4 was nicely done (tho I'm really not crazy about Logan's vocal performance as Boba). Still not crazy about Filoni's apparent idea to slowly build Boba into the bounty hunter we knew from Episode V, in that armor, over the course of... The Clone Wars. The idea of Boba assembling his ESB armor by the time he's 13? Meh. If I were in charge, I'd have him get the gauntlets, maybe, or the breastplate, but not much else. Maybe a different Mandalorian helmet from Death Watch... and maybe he starts customizing it (a new coat of paint to start, but I don't need to see how it got its trademark dent, or when the rangefinder was added, etc). Pieces (or better yet, just a single piece/set), but not the whole kit, not the Wookiee scalps, not the cape, etc. He's got 20 years until the OT... does he just get his gear and then never changes it for two decades? (aside from collecting MORE gear to make all the slight variations of the armor he has, like the red & yellow gauntlets, different gloves, belts, etc)? That's pretty weak. Bad enough the Jedi wear the same crap all the time (outside their few outfit-changes in TCW, which they STILL wear for days & weeks on end)... Han Solo doesn't JUST walk around in one pair of pants and a white shirt & vest, after all. Sometimes the shirt's blue. Sometimes the vest is a jacket.

Wrong. The ENTIRE POINT of that exchange in Return of the Jedi is that Luke is asking Leia about THEIR mother. He never knew her, so he wants to know what Leia remembers about her. This assumes some facts not in evidence, like the fact that Leia being adopted was known by others as well as Leia, or at least by Luke (and one would assume Han), as well as the fact that Leia knew her mother for a time. Luke just had no real interest in learning about her mother before he found out they were related. Luke, Leia, and Han are all orphans, they didn't really know their parents (granted, Han's orphan status is only really dealt with in EU), but it could be a brief topic of conversation between them over the years since they met. But those facts MUST be true even if not in evidence, because otherwise there's no reason for Luke to ask about her mom, and further specify her REAL mom. He wants to know about Padme, about his mother. If she's talking about Breha, the conversation is pointless. That's the reason Padme's death is stupid: there was no need for it. A bit of rewriting and removing ONE scene in favor of an expanded version of another scene, and there wouldn't be a plot-hole there. Injured by Anakin, she could've been spirited away to the royal palace of Alderaan, disguised as a nursemaid or handmaiden to the Queen (she spent TWO FILMS disguising herself as someone of a lesser station... then it's just dropped completely for the finale? That's like showing a gun in Act I AND Act II and then the gun's just gone in Act III instead of being fired like it should be), and be able to be with her daughter all the while mourning all the things she lost: the Republic, her husband, her son. She could've died to 'broken heart syndrome' but done it in a more believable fashion, over years. Her surviving in the Organa household wouldn't change Vader's reaction to Sidious telling Vader she was dead by his hand... all it'd do is substitute the Naboo funeral with that necklace Kid Ani gave her with a different Alderaanian scene where you see Bail deliver Leia to Breha, with handmaidens standing by in Alderaanian handmaiden garb, and you push in close and see that one is wearing that necklace, and it's Padme, and she's smiling at her daughter but gets a distant look and the smile fades and you think "Okay, she's alive, but she's crushed by all this grief". And that's that.