what the guy above me said. i tanked for a long time on my jugg end game and i got rid of any acc a long time ago for the better def stats. as for threat? guard your best dps ffs, the argo reduction works outside of 30m so it doesnt have to be someone close to you even. using a decent rotation is all thats needed, once in a while an aoe taunt after dd to be sure and things like that. as for aoe trash threat? if your in an op and have two mobs force choke one and backhand the other and tab back and forth, anything more than that as in flashpoints i let the dps kill the little ***** and drop a smash once in a while. anyway yeah, we're not the best aoe tanks, but single target if used correctly, and this is important, because some people want to push 4 buttons and win, we are very, very good with single target tanking. ps: i have also heard that acc only applies to non special attacks.. think on that.

It's been said before that endgame, I'm saying REALLY endgame your a tank, your not there to do damage. That's what Dps are for. Bottom line.. when your leveling, I would strongly suggest leveling Vengeance if your just questing / pvp'ing away the levels. If you want to level tank, I've done it before on a Jedi Shadow and i was fine. As to your question. It has been said before and will be said again. Juggernaut tanks endgame want to aim for about 20% defense chance, 50% absorb and 50% shield chance. You don't need accuracy. If you don't believe me go look at your campaign war leader gear. then go for defense aug's. Personally i use those, a few shield augs, 1 or 2 endurance augs and 1 or 2 str augs, rest are defense and im at about 29% atm. I have cleared HM denova with no problems, i'm not even 25k hps.

It wasn't necessarily a "whim". I had talked to some people in vent when i was doing a SM Denova PUG as our other jugg was tanking hm that week and it gave me the idea. I have heard that sonic barrier absorbs about 1400-1600? I'm not quite sure on that at all so don't go quoting me on that because i don't know for sure. I thought about it for a while and when i was reading threads saying that 20/50/50 was a starting point for Juggernaut tanks and then go full defense i was like well hmm. I absolutely HATE the black hole/ Campaign gear look, so i was like **** it, i have a **** ton of Tionese / Columi comms and im pretty sure Pierce has a few Rakata pieces on him so i switched over the mods, augmented them as they were and like i posted above i am all but 29% defense chance. As to your saying my health was wrong i had just killed Gorgath and Snowblind. I have no idea if this has any effect on anything? I also have all the buffs except the operative buff. As for blowing about 90k per piece just moving mods ( i can make the MK-6's ) and spending 30k a pop to augment the 4 pieces plus 15k to pull out and replace the augments itself. I will answer by saying i have 4 level 50's on the bastion. My main the Juggernaut tank, a Sorc that is probably our 3rd best geared healer ( being in full black hole minus a mod / hilt and ear, and the black hole ear is terrible i am waiting for an mk-2 or 3? to drop that isn't so terrible) I run 16m SM Denova with him as heals and dps, although im normally heals =D. I have also PUG'd some HM Denova with him as well. ON the flip side i have a 50 sentinel and 50 shadow. SO.. in answer to your question, doing 4 black hole runs for a day or two or 3 puts a pretty penny in my pocket, considering most of the time i just Duo the Heroic with companions for more loot to sell as its easy as hell. Now.. Back to suggestions? other than my offhand which is rakata and my hilt I'm fully 61 mods and I've completed HM Denova. Is there anything that would make me want to go to the warrior set bonus at all at this point or am i in the right direction? Just asking for some feedback. PS: i have heard from some people ( I believe them to be *********** idiots ) that Juggernaut tanks are the worst in the game? I believe they are by far the most survivable, when tanking their health doesn't suddenly drop and fluctuate like a sin or shadow's. Our armor is less than PT tanks but our Defense chance is , well ill say that mine is almost double what our pt tank's is. Input?

OK. So i went on a whim and put my black hole mods in the Powertech tank legs, boots, gloves and head. This gives me 2% damage reduction to everything. Any thoughts on this VS the +20% to sonic barrier? thoughts etc.. PS: currently, with a exotech stim I am 28.92 defense chance, 50.47 shield, and 50.13 absorption. 24701 hps ( 2196 endurance ) and 1729 str. I have cleared HM denova more than once with my guild its on farm. Anything? Suggestions, Opinions? etc?

Yeah me and our raid leader (the main pt tank) have talked about this. But we have come to accept that if we can up our dps it will help. I have read of ppl using the hybrid vengence buid for tanking ec hm and im thinking of trying that but im not sure. I totally agree that the tanks shouldnt have to put out the dps for enrage and its not so much that as dps dieing during the fights that hurt us. Anyway thanks for the input i was thinking of that but wasnt sure. As for augments are the power/defense augs the way to go or is there a better alternative? im like 1650 str unbuffed in my tank gear/spec atm.

i would like to ask any and all who are currently in EC HM, what are you oppinions on builds? we are having dps issues. We faceroll EC story but are stuck on the tanks in HM. im currently in almost full black hole, minus offhand and legs / mainhand. My gloves are MK-3. My raid leader is asking me to try and pull more dps as i know my dps is terrible. my chest / head / gloves are not auged atm and my legs and boots are power/defense and end/power atm. As i heard power is good to have. My defense stats are : 20/43/52 with an endurance stim (plus the defense of the stim) Any suggestions?, and for trinkets im using the rakata absorb trinket with a clicky defense trinket (both rakata). i have enough to buy one campaign relic, any suggestions on this would help as well.

You're obviously not tanking EC hm where tanks need to pull their weight dps wise. i think im going to try the hybrid 17/24/0 with slight modifications, maybe swap heavy handed for evicerate. Since im almost full black hole (minus legs) which are rakata. i have more shield / absorb then i think i need, and im lacking in streight defense. Any suggestions as to which augments to add to my gear? i have full augmented gear to put my black hole gear into via battlemaster augmented boots / hands / head, and legs and chest i made with synthweaving. im using two tank mk1 implants and ear. i do have a foestomper mk-3 implant i could swap out for better dps? Any thoughts on this? We have taken down the first boss of EC HM but its become clear that we are lacking in dps and the healers are telling me im very easy to keep alive, so our raid leader asked me to try and find a better dps build and see what i can do to help. i think he is pulling 800 ish as a pt tank. In the 31 immortal build im only pulling 450ish. Suggestions would be great. Edit: also, which trinkets would you guys recomend? im currently using the rakata absorb (non clicky) trinket with a clicky defense trinket. i have enough daily comms to buy a campaign relic and im not sure where to go with this. i will also add that i am the "offtank" for our primary 8 man. We are litterallly facerolling EC story atm but hm has us stuck on the tanks. for the first two bosses i tank one of the 2 bosses, for minesweeper part i put on my full rakata dps gear and do the tower. And the last boss i offtank as needed.

Do you really think adding more people to this game is a bad thing? considering there are never over 70 players on repub side fleet during peak time on some of the better servers?

So your basicly saying "Dont mess with euro players or we will ragequit"??? "they took our 2 hours and made us go outside!!!!!"

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I'm serriously going to start posting exploits on the dev forums each day until i run out so they emergency patch this time every day. I mean this is just to funny. Serriously. Make a monty python MMO or something and keep it in house. Because you obviously cant come up with your own games, so flame america for being good at making games and fixing them when they need fixed when your "about to raid!" for christ sake people are pug'ing HM ops now. like its a big deal.

Ok so I've played several mmo's in the past. Mainly eq and wow. I'm looking into playing either guardian, sent, or shadow. I really liked paladin tanks in wow and they were great pvp as well. I have heard sent's have ****** dps so im thinking not to go there. I'd like to be able to tank and dps, yet not get wtfowned in pvp. I do play on a pvp server so you know. Any suggestions would be great. Edit: When i had my pally tank in wow i used to out dps my entire group btw. Is there any similar class here in swtor?