I like this post, well written with some good humor. Many of your points are excellent. I'm really stunned with how poor Illum is and the 'non-credit for WZ win' bug is so terrible it makes me wonder how they are prioritizing these fixes. As a new level 50 you really feel useless in most of the WZ, this is an issue that should be addressed.

Very good post! I'm shocked at the grind for pvp gear. Even if the non-counting wins bug were fixed it would still be a brutal grind given the inconsistent and repeat tokens, but with the bug (and the new Illum disaster) it is not acceptable. Especially if you go into a WZ as a new 50 against the people who exploited to get their BM gear, you just explode. I had a better fighting chance as a level 38 fighting a level 45 than I do given the gear disparity. This is particularly funny since BW went out of their way to say the gear difference at 50 wouldn't make a huge difference. I did a 3 month sub so I may still focus on pve until it's run out, but I really did want the pvp to be better in this game. It's a shame.

I was there for an hour and got no credit for any kills and managed to find 5 boxes. Apparently having a bunch of people riding around in a circle or camping box spawn areas is what passes for the "pvp" quest on the planet now. At the rate I was finding boxes it would have taken 6 hours to finish the quest. I didn't spend 6 hours at my actual job today, why does bioware think i want to spend 6 hours looking for boxes on the ground in Illum? This planet is a disaster.

Even though the OP was probably trolling with this post it has actually produced some really good tanking advice for the jugg. Thanks to everyone who contributed. I think the Powertech is still the best tank atm but the jugg is pretty fun to play as a tank especially after level 30. There will almost certainly be tweeks coming in the next few months but Juggs, when played well, can be very effective tanks in flashpoints.

I support this idea. Please consider making this change.

The powertechs and Sith assassins have excellent dps trees and they are also tanks. Actually, from my experience they make better tanks than Juggs. PTs have far superior aoe aggro as well as being able to keep single target threat better than Juggs. So, please stop saying that vengeance speced SW should be happy with what they have. Particularly since Bio said ALL dps specs would be comparable; actually most are, with the exception of SW.

The problem with what you're saying is that most, if not all, other classes don't have to follow such a rigid spec progression to be successful. As to the dps v tank comment; I'm fine with that if Bio didn't go out of their way to assure players that ALL dps specs would be viable. You are agreeing that the vengeance tree is weak with your spec and tank comments. Also, the power tech and Sith assassin are tanks as well and their dps spec is very good. Clearly the Jugg needs adjustments. The best tanks I've run with have been PT, they just have better tanking abilities.

Here is a helpful site for arsenal info. http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Arsenal-Mercenary-Gunnery-Commando-DPS-Compendium When in doubt shoot a tracer.

I leveled a SW Jugg to 30 and liked the play style and story a lot. I didn''t have much trouble other than getting owned a few times by the class quest guy on Balmora. Then I started leveling a BH merc and was shocked how much easier EVERY quest was with the merc. PvP was better, killing champion mobs is cake, and my numbers in flashpoints were in credibly superior to my vengeance speced Jugg. That was my experience. I''ll go back to the Jugg when some improvments are made.

I like the vengeance tree for leveling. I have had no problems so far. I am interested in trying out a rage build. I'm curious how anyone actually knows how PvE dps is. Since we can't run damage meters, is there any way to actually get hard numbers on how the vengeance tree stacks up against other classes? I ran 'Mandolorian' at lvl 27 as a dps and felt like I was smashing things pretty well, but I really don't know how to accurately gauge it.