And yet, they don't even have to be good. All the work for a balanced well done PVP system was in place pre 1.2... They just needed a few rounds of Control Z at any point before areas were released.

No it is true. Middle managers and marketing people don't always have the most firm grasp on what their developers can accomplish. Should they have checked with their dev's more thoroughly before promising cross server back in the day? Absolutely, but getting an accurate estimate on the effort / time x server would have required would have required telling said dev team that most of them where about to get laid off. So... yeah

All for it! but crushing that many ego's might cause the internet to explode...

I think its worth pointing out that the "collapse" happened as a direct reulst of BW announcing that they were pulling 8v8 ranked... the very thing they had all transfered to do. Most of them felt 4v4 wasn't worth transferring for and quit. those that went back to their original servers preferred their friends ect from the old server if they weren't going to get the pvp they wanted on the new ones.

If you need to get WW off under pressure use mental alacrity. Your bubble makes you a much better node guard then you were pre WW nerf. If you can't juggle now you are probably Lightning spec. Lightning sorcs with their current burst being able to juggle like the old hybrid spec would be ridiculous.

Agreed, a comment would be nice. A fix would be even better. A reassurance that they already knew about the problem would be too much to hope for.

Yeah, that is exactly how I would expect it to play out, it is a no win situation for POT5. So? Just because there is no situation in which POT5 will get to claim they are better than Bastion from this transfer and their is a situation in which Bastion could claim it is better than POT5 doesn't mean it isn't a potential way to determine if Bastions teams are better than POT5s. Some experiments can only prove A>B if one result happens and don't prove anything if the other result happens, in some cases that is how the the scientific method works. Its not "fair" but this is one of those experiments. I'm pretty sure Bastion would be perfectly happy for POT5 to reverse the experiment by sending one or more of its rateds teams over to play on Bastion. In fact, please do. Sorry man, it was bound to happen with a team moving from one environment to the other. I totally get why you moved, and it was a good move in order to keep playing. And I agree, Casual was a fantastic team back when I played against them on the 2.0 PTS, I would assume they quickly got back up to that level after returning to the game.

My thoughts exactly. I'm glad a little mimicry on my part was able to help you reach that conclusion. You're welcome.

So Rock Bottom, a mid tear team on Bastion, is better than all of the top teams on POT5 except Casual? Oh, cool.

Looks to me like Rock Bottom might be a contender for Top 3 on POT 5. Infinite Darkness and Clutch are considered some of the strongest guilds on that server (at least according to that thread's rankings from week to week. I suppose we should wait a week to see how they settle before we really use them as a measuring stick to compare the level of competition between the two servers though. Best of luck to you Rock Bottom.

Ditto, I'm glad Opfotm found a way to post again, makes the forums more interesting.

Cate's should use taunt more.

That was the case even pre 2.0 when smash and pyro reigned supreme. Not saying heals don't need tuning, but that isn't the reason.

well done pistols.

So I could be wrong but isn't all of the blizzard stuff getting thrown around in this thread in relation to no super ques in their regular battlegrounds? I didn't look all that close but it seemed like they were still letting groups of up to 5 into their battlegrounds... kind of like BW lets groups of 4 into its warzones?

And when you play ranked (refer to thread title) on a serious ranked team, on a serious ranked server, you mean to tell me that you play your deception sin? What you don't? I don't believe it.

Bunch of reg starts wan't to say flaunt how awesome they are by saying the class is fine since they top charts / complete objectives in regs.

mostly true. Certinaly better than before, much better in fact. I'd still consider them a tier down from a sorc in ranked play though. They are usable, like a dps jug is usable, but the team would prefer that jug player to be a mara. I think most teams would still prefer that merc to be a sniper or sorc. Maybe your mileage have varied though.

For DPS, since that sounds like what you are looking for, Mara, and Sniper are both great. Sorc solid. Sins, Jugs, and Mercs are perfectly fine in reg WZs but currently aren't optimal in the highest level rated (again for DPS). PTs and OPs can work in regs, but honestly they are just worse than the other classes when in comes to dps. In short your sin is fine for dps if you only want to do regs, which is all the vast majority of players ever do.

First off you should assume that just about every player who responded to this thread is better than you at pvp (they are, and if you can't recognize that you haven't been paying attention). That said your observation is accurate; regs on this server are worse that Harbingers were pre-trasfer, but that is because the three ranked teams on harbinger pre-transfer had to slum it up in regs more often than they would have liked. The strategy in regs on this server also seems to revolve more around CCing healers and less around focusing them compared to Harbingers regs pre-transfer. Adjust, or leave, it doesn't really matter to any of us. However I would recommend finding yourself a rated team even if it means being an alternate due to your schedule. This game, on any server, just isn't worth playing only in regs. Regs are little more than a place to kill time / put in your time while waiting for teams to que rated. But you won't listen to me or anyone else even though your previous posts contained a rant about players not listening to each other

Do any of the top 3 teams on Bastion POT5 or TOFN use a dps sin on their A team? No? What do you know dps sin's aren't viable in truly competitive rateds. Can you get away with one a tier down or on a server that no longer has the highest caliber teams because they transferred off? Sure. If you want to go to the top though a dps sin won't be used for more than an occasional gimmick of desperation.

I can completely see how you would find that annoying OP, but the thing is 7/10 times he has let all of the relevant people know when he called it over voice chat. Another 2/10 times the relevant pugs who happen to be solid players will notice that MID is suddenly a lot lighter on either friends or foes and look around to figure out why. Lastly, calling incs over VOIP can be a good way to make sure you don't get 5 people charging over to defend the off node from 2 attackers and then end up losing mid. Doesn't sound like that is what happened here, but there is a method to the madness, it just didn't pay off this time.

Jagoff is right on point even if he exagerates the case with pve geared / mixed gear players "stomping" pvp geared ones. The problem is the bussiness plan in the MMO genre is now all about lowering barriers to entry because that is the only way they can hope for growth. As long as BW believes that bolsters lowers the barrier to entry for pvp it is going to stay. I prefer the recruit gear solution, but recruit gear will never work as long as augments make such a significant difference. The issue with MK2 wasn't the stat differeance between it and WH, it was that augmenting WH gear made sense with how long you would keep it while augmenting recruit was a waste of credits, and that created the gear gap, not that actual stat difference.

Deception sins have moderately better burst, and moderately to significantly better suitability. Scrapper have slightly better CC. The whole stealth alpha strike archetype just isn't viable in ranked with the current class balance, that said sins do it better than scoundrels. If they can't make it in that role in ranked, scrappers don't have a prayer.

I did, try reading my posts, but anyone who brings lore to the balance table isn't likely to be taken seriously on their other arguments.