this is invalid argument, outlive any smasher ... smashers are not supposed to play solo 1vs1, they fight against grp and with a healer ... vengeance is still underpowered though and not sure if usefull in rateds ...sentinel brings predation, but why bring venge instead smasher or sentinel? only when you dont have enough skilled ppl in a guild, or some1 is skilled and loves it so much ... and venge hits 5k, smash 11k like some1 said