Aren't BW failing on 2 fronts then? This being the first, the second giving mickey mouse amounts of Cent and Champ comms to newbie L50s? Hit L50 after the bracket and been grinding for around 3 weeks, my mate hit 50 today and has the same armour as me i definitely don't feel like I've wasted ANY time fcking BW

If you're still losing then it's hardly 'carrying them'. Enjoy the idiosyncracies of 10-49 whilst you can, when you hit 50 it becomes much more competitive. Suddenly medals actually mean something. If your team isn't up to much then it's going to spend most of the duration of WZs getting farmer out of spawn. Everyone wants to win because a loss costs 1/3 potential yeild of Valor from that Match. AFKing is rare because it doesn't benefit you as much. You'll be against more pre-mades and guys with gear who'll just slap you around. EVERYONE has there full compliment of CCs, so if you're not careful (sometimes if you are!) you'll get caught in a CC maelstrom and get insta-dead. From a practical PoV, a lot of servers don't have the numbers to keep current waiting down for PvP WZs. Bottom-line, enjoy it, post L50 is much harder w/o the fun

Aw wait until L50. You've still a 300-400 hour Valor grind ahead of you, naive Padawan

LOL, since when did even that keep it's novalty? 300-400hours of the same 3 WZs? They could bring in killstreaks and a tactical nuke and it wouldn't bring me out of the coma I have to slide into to tolerate Huttball ...

All they needed to do was have an extra WZ or two when you hit L50 and give some expertise to pre-L50 PvP gear to stop people moaning when they first took the plunge. 7-10 doesn't sound unreasonable if each item was 90, though. 15 Cents and 7 Champ comms is a LOL-fest. The random drops was an awful idea because of the duplicates and drops that your AC couldn't use but the new system is FAR worse. It's like giving a metric f*ck ton of candy to a kid, watch them bounce off the walls for an hour then crash out. New L50s won't bother making it to Rank 60 Valor because they'll have hundreds of hours with all their gear ... that's a HUGE step to grind up with nothing to break the tedium. I'm just glad I'm almost 60 now. Watch how fast people complain that there's nothing to do and see the BM gear being dragged down to L50 Valor instant-gratification generation. *sigh*

Bless You're going to fckn hate L50 PvP

Yeah, 10-49 is fun. You're getting new abilities along the way, stuff like that. L50 PvP = Valor grind.

I got 485K with 250expertise and I don't roll w/ premades. It's called 'VoidStar is a broken piece of sh*t, if the match goes both rounds on the first doors you're going to break 400 easily'.

Exactly. 'Pure' tank classes are underwhelming in PvP. Mara has an ability that mitigates ALL damage by 99% for a brief period (if takes away half their current health but if it's below 10% when you activate then what does it matter?) AND can have 4s invisibility and the arguably the best burst and sustained damage in a capable users hands.

Heavy armour is really not that great. You guys need to read up your facts. It mitigates next to nothing unless combined w/ a shield. For PTs if you want that kind of damage protection you have to change around your whole spec-tree (obviously) and you lose a TON of damage. I roll DPS pyrotech and by Ops, Gunslingers and Sages I usually get crit'd for between 3.5-4.5K per hit ... my rail shot crits are 3.2-4K and I've stacked surge and crit rating. Heavy armour sans shield is heavy in name only.

I don't think Sorcs ever have the right to whine about balance when you regularly see Sorcs putting up 300+K damage AND 300+K healing in matches. If you die more than twice in a WZ as a Sorc, you're either REALLY unlucky or suck at your class. Learn to play it or reroll.

I agree that Sorcs have it EZ Mode, too many just won't stay ranged where they're at their strongest. But I don't see how BH's have too much armour either. Mercs drop stupid fast at close-range, PTs drop fast at distance. As a PT if I can't close the distance I need to break the LOS or I'm done. Mercs need to keep the distance or they're finished.

U mad? I'm a powertech so have Heavy Armour and with their bursts Ops can drop me to around 30-40% health straight from stealth. What more advantage do you want? I'm fine with Ops having their ludicrous crits back ... just give up stealth first And the smugglers ... got hit for 9K total damage earlier from 2 hits straight from stealth! I'm not whining about wanting them nerfed so stop crying about wanting them buffed. If you know how to use stealth char's then they're some of the most devastating in the game. Don't like the class? Reroll.

Friend, they aren't going to make it to Valor 60. Our incentive was picking up pieces slowly along the way. The set you described can be gained in 2 days now. Where's the incentive to hit 60 for these guys when they've got all the tier2 stuff? Was on low 300 expertise when I logged in today and now I'm around 450 cheap ... I may wait until the casuals want BM gear at Valor 50 instead so I don't have to do my final couple of levels, though

LOL. There wasn't weeks of struggling to begin with I'm just over a week old into my L50 career. After day 2 I was expecting to top the DMG charts. Hit 400K fairly regularly and 300K w/o fail in a full match. Until today I was around the low 300expertise when I logged in for the ridiculous patch and got thrown another 150 expertise for basically FREE If people just did the dailies they'd usually get around 100 expertise in the first day or so, 200 in around 3. That should make people competitive in L50 bracket WZs. Now you get 150 for 15 minutes lol ... The whole point in the gear is to give people incremental incentives to keep playing so whilst you're grinding Valor to 60 you get little mini-buzzes along the way when you get new kit, etc. People usually enter L50 around 20-30 valor rank. The OP in this thread is unusual. Ranking Valor is EASY and SUPER fast until 50 ... and then it starts going up exponentially rather than the flat curve people are used to up until then. From Rank 50-55 you're looking at 8-10 hours per rank w/ premades and 10-12 medals a match. 55-60 between 10-12 hours. My whole issue with giving the newbie L50s pretty much everything at once is that the end-game for PvPers doesn't exist outside 3 WZs 9/10 of which will be Huttball. People are going to get bored FAST ... the expertise gain from Champion chest to BM chest is 7 expertise ... it's similar for the rest of the gear. Suddenly if you've got ALL your Champion gear and still 20 ranks of Valor to go (especially the last 10) there's nothing to break it up. People are going to get bored and either demand BW lowerd the tier 3 armour to Rank 50 Valor or they'll just quit, probably the latter. All they needed to do was get rid of the random equipment drops in bags, slap 6 Cent coms in each bag along with 3 Champ coms, make sure wins counted for Daily/ Weekly and give pre-L50 gear some expertise. In one fell swoop they're going to completely decimate the end game PvP element and suddenly the reality that the variety is poor for PvPers will become very stark, very fast

Not anymore

And what about me? I hit 50 after the bracket and had to grind the gear for the last week and a half when someone hitting L50 today (if they've saved their WZ and Merc coms) can have 90 Cent Coms and 42 Champ coms by merely playing a WZ. That's almost as much as me for 15 mins 'work' They should have made it 6 WZ coms and 3 Champs per bag. All this system is going to do is give EVERYONE their tier1 and 2 pretty much straight away whilst most will be weeks away from Rank 60 Valor ... they'll get bored and want that lowered, BW will cave, new BM will be at Rank 50 V, whole system gets n00bified. Instead, just give them some expertise in their pre-L50 PvP gear. Makes WZcoms and Merc Coms actually mean something then before L50 also.

Mate, it's pretty simple. Pre-L50 PvP gear is worthless so save 1000WZ Coms and 1000Merc Coms - 5 bags straight off the bat 75 Cent Coms and 35 Champ Coms. Just PLAY 1 WZ and you get ANOTHER bag = 90 Cent 42 Champ Coms. So 15 minutes work and that's enough for around 200expertise. Problem solved. Game cheapened, watch people get bored very quickly

In a couple of weeks? The new system is a joke. It was already super fast to get gear, today I've gained over 100 Centurion Comms - Was almost at 800WZ Coms so that's 15 ... completed both Dailies ... 45 ... finished Weekly - 90, by that time I had just about enough for another bag ... 105. On top of that I've shot up like 150expertise LAWL sh*t is CrAzAY. For this guy it shouldn't be too bad because he's a pretty high Valor Rank hitting 50 but what are the guys going to do for months when they ding at a Valor Rank in the teens like so many do?

Yeah, that's a good point. I'm really pretty content with my main so will probably never see most planets again. Seems a waste.

I'd love for that to be the case but can you really see that happening? Stuff like 3factions is an awesome idea and more meaningful World PvP ... but the way the game is set up would require a HUGE overhaul. I fear they've committed to this particular course and are just going to reward the casuals whilst they're here, ignore the others and end up losing both for different reasons.

I'd LOVE to see that element. In the end-game you're amassing all these credits and for what? To buy sh*t you don't want just because you have them? I'd love to pump them into a meaningful and fulfilling World PvP experience and feel like I'm contributing to something 'bigger'.

Powertechs go down slowly(ish) if they're tank spec'd and using Ion Gas Canister (60% extra armour). If you're pyro you go down the same speed as any other heavy armour DPS. None of the classes you play have heavy armour, the closest is Sentinel w/ Medium so comparitively it'll seem like they take forever to down but they really don't.

Yeah, Pyro's a really nice class to play. Not played Merc but those who do say it's boring and they don't normally outscore PTs. PT you get to use around 16 abilities regularly each WZ and it's a good damage dealer if you spec Pyro. Stats-wise, many prefer to stack Accuracy but I go for Crit Rating and Surge (more vanity than anything for some 4K crits) then Aim and Endurance. Tree Spec - 8/8/25. Wouldn't bother going up the whole Pyro tree because Thermal detonator does less damage than Explosive Dart and it isn't an AoE. Ignore AP (Worthless, IMO) and don't bother tank spec'ing (ST) because it doesn't reward you the way the current medals are set up. Hope this helps.

Yeah ... no class is particularly 'hench' in PvP. I'm a Pyro and my health plummets if the other guy knows what they're doing.