I guess awesome in a lot of peoples books is doing tons of fluff DOT AOE damage and never getting above single digit kills. Funny thing is its not a L2P issue its a DPS burst issue. The numbers don't lie being a VG myself I might see 1 other VG in like 10 matches and that's in a normal PUG WZ. Rated groups well we wont even touch that one lol which should be all you need to know about the class of PT and VG so far as viability is concerned.

That about sums it up. A huge amount of fluff damage funny part is checking the kills on some of these SS people with 800 or 900k damage and single digit kills. Heck might as well be a Smasher and get the damage and the kills.

Don't listen to these guys the simple fact is that very few people are playing PT/VG tells the truth of the problem with PT's and VG's. Just look around in your next few matches and see how many PT's or VG's (if you got a pub guy) you see in matches. Mind you these are PUG's but if you want the real harsh truth try to get in a rated and check out how many you see. Best advice I can give rough out your games get the guy geared and shelf him while you play something else that way if the ever revise the changes you can pull your PT out without him being so far behind the curve. Hard part will be gritting your teeth while you suffer through your daily's and weekly.

Not sure what it is on my tactics VG spec but my DPS feels slugish. I mean it was never great for burst pre 2.0 but I could get a nice constant steady DPS with the spec and for me that was ok I liked the challange of not playing assault spec. But now something just feels hinky with how my VG plays not sure if its the bolster or something else. Heck maybe I am in the wrong spec meaning full tactics and not some hybird I dont know. Im not feeling any synergy with these new skills at all. Im a little shocked at how my EWH gear means so little now but that I can live with, its the speed of play and the slugish nature of my DPS thats bugging me to no end.

/shrug I play my vanny as tactics spec and rather enjoy it. No I dont have the DPS burst of a assault spec but I do love watching the smash monkies attack me and get that puzzled look when that 5 to 7k smash only did around 2 to 3k. Funny part is I get told all the time im gimping my team by not being assault. When I try to explain im not about trying to be tops on the dps chart but rather a decent mix of protection and dps I just get the response of tactics sucks. Oh well whats a vanny to do.

Keep your ranked coms it does not take long to get WH gear. You may try going bomb spec should allow you to get in some AOE damage and area denial plus beef up your defense. Other than that just take the beatings and try to be as useful as possible.

It would be a short video I die to fast.

Might work but if I see you on ISO your getting a marker regardless lol I cant take the chance of you being in healer spec. even if it looks like your DPSing.

Thank goodness you got tired of healing. By the way nice vid I enjoyed it.

Its more than likely you ran into a full tactics spec useing Ion cell. Alot of vanguards run this spec due to all the smash teams running around. it provides pretty good defense steady damage but you miss out on some of the burst of assault. Not a bad spec but you will not be hitting number 1 on the damage charts with it.

Not sure what the answer is on stun bubbles but from my scoudrel scrapper spec its a major suck. I dont expect to be able to kill a healer flat out but I should at least be able to pressure him a little.

The jumping is for the most part a defense against knock back. if you time the jumps right a blow back like that from a sorc or sage will shoot you straight up instead of into a acid pit off a ramp or in a fire pit. While i dont enjoy hopping around it does have a function I suppose.

Not sure if Snipers and Gun Slingers are FOTM OP but they are fun and annoying to play at the same time. But the best pvp Exp. I have had so far in this game is on my 50 Gun Slinger when on a rare instance I can 1 vs 1 with a sniper. If both players are pretty good with there class It can turn into a fantastic chess match going back and forth on the damage as each player times his CD's stuns and movements.

Just as you figured what? I pointed to the posts on PTS that had been up a long time 3 threads on this very topic. The longest of which was like 10 plus pages in length and showed parsed info from multiple sources. Again Im sorry you did not take the time to read them but if your trying to make a claim that said posts did not exist then just come out and say so. Im sure many of the players here read the posts on PTS and who knows maybe someone will do you the favor of reposting thier parsed data.

Since I did not make the claim myself I feel no need to parse and post it to prove someone elses work. I just pointed out that on multiple threads pre patch on the PTS the information provided did not match what was being said in this thread. No reason to get snotty with me on the subject im not claiming anything new that had not already been posted on in depth on the PTS. Dont blame me if you did not read any of it. But to make clear the point the posters on PTS pointed at was single target DPS not the craptastic AOE damge they gave us to replace it. You really dont need a parse to see the diffrence between the two. Anyway Im happy your happy with your AOE craptastic damage so keep on doing what your doing the rest of us have moved on to more realistic specs that can do stuff like kill someone in pvp.