Star Wars nerds come up with the best insults. You guys are sitting there trying to tell me there has never been a system that didn't use expertise and succeeded?? The BEST ones did not, the two CRAPPIEST are....really, you guys think PvP in SWTOR and WoW are what PvP is supposed to be? No wonder its the whiney carebear-entitlement fest that it is today.

Like I said, for bads ^ You guys are the ones crying for your precious expertise shield. Your telling me the big bad PvE'ers would walk all over you without it? Give me a break, you're not a real PvPer.

Because it's retarded to have a PvP "stat" that all the bads with no skill can rely on. Get some skill instead of falling back on your gear.

I played both UO and Shadowbane myself, and PvPd hard in both, and this thread has brought back some excellent memories. The SWTOR community wouldn't know what to do with REAL PvP like those games had.

Thats BS though, and the defence everyone is clinging to is "Oh but now when I lose 6 times I get a REWARD!" tee hee. Ya, have fun with your 99 comms, it's really going to help you catch up against the premades that got the same boost, and are still outgaining your *** by a long shot. I don't hate the patch, or what BW was trying to do, but it ruined PvP on my server. I could actually win when it was dedicated PvPers queing up; Now that all the bads that hate losing are jumping in, and people that are so-so just not even trying, it has become crap. I know the point of all this was to give you SOMETHING, even for losing. Like a participation sticker. But what it really did was give people an excuse to not try. If you are really bad, you should be motivation to get better if you want to win. If your not into PvP, you SHOULD be less geared than those that are. People don't like to be the reason their team loses. People don't like losing and getting nothing. These are MOTIVATIONS and REASONS to get better. Things you have now completely removed. It's almost like the guys that gets on the interwebs, and becomes a complete ***, just because of his anonymousity. You are GIVING people an excuse to not try or be bad. I know it wasn't your intent, but that is what it has become. I do appreciate the effort on BWs part though.

That is one good thing I HAVE noticed, is that there is an influx of some new faces, this is good for the most part...theyll learn eventually. EDIT - Come to think about it, these are probably the players I am ************ about. People that never PvP'd before this because they didn't like to lose, or didn't get anything for their time spent losing. Now they'll join up and happily prance around for 6 matches just to get those whopping 99 comms. Still, appreciate what you're trying to do here BW.

I never had a problem with people leaving early, even before this. Our servers are obviously much different. I am on Sanctum, pretty average population since launch. BTW, how do you know they are trying harder? It feels like you made this post up just to counter mine for some reason. I'm not bashing the update, just pointing out what I've seen....We all know you will get the daily done faster, that really wasn't the point I was trying to make, and really wasn't what the title was about. In my opinion, overall, it has hurt the PvP experience on my server. I dont give a **** if I get comms faster. Real PvPers don't do it for the comms, they do it for the love of the PvP, and competition, which has been turned to crap on my server.

Some observations of mine on the change: I've avoided ************ about this, because honestly I am still on the fence of weather it is good or bad. I want to say it is good; It looks good on paper, but in reality, in practice, my server's PvP has become complete garbage since this change. There swaths of people that will just come in now and do nothing but run around and do whatever the heck they want the entire match. No, it was not like that before. I have been PvPing since lvl 15, back in December, and PvP is my main activity in the game. I pay close attention to the general "flow" on my server. I know when the premades will be on, when the best time for Imps is, and when the best time for Repubs is. We did not have a general problem with people doing their own thing. People don't even communicate now. If there is no one organizing things when I join a WZ, I step up and try. But the past few days its like no one even cares about winning. They don't listen to what is said, they don't put in their advice. They don't try to work as a team. In Alderaan we have people going every which way just getting deathmatched down into the ground, because its groups of 1-3 people all over the map not accomplishing anything. In fact, a few times I have seen groups of 3-4 just run straight for our sides turret right in the beginning and just sit there -.-. Novarre Coast is the same thing. Huttball and Voidball always seemed to be especially hard without coordination, but now it is particularly bad. I can't even remember the last time that I successfully made it through the first door on Voidstar. Now, there could be many factors to this. MAYBE there is a new wave of 50's hitting the field. MAYBE I am on an unlucky streak. MAYBE the other faction has a good overall pool of players on their side, and suddenly we don't. I am not solely and outright blaming the patch for these things, but they definately weren't this bad in months previous. Again, just my observations so far. I personally like the IDEA and INTENT of the change, even if it has made all the players on my server lazy as hell. I do miss winning more than 1-2 matches a day though.

Completely agree with the OP. Bioware please rely on data and your tests instead of all the whiney kids of the forums. Normally I am all for a company that jumps on it's forums and gets active with it's community. I don't blame you from staying away from this one.

I wish I could repost this a million times. People act like Maras are dominating every, or even a lot, of warzones. No. They are just dominating you.

Still havn't seen ONE picture of these rediculous numbers being thrown out here. Not one. Is it so hard to press the SS button people?

In Toledo here as well. Sanctum of the exalted.

] Like this guy said. They aren't just taking your comms and deleting them. You can buy things with them. New crafting boxes and things like that. Good article here: http://dulfy.net/2012/03/20/your-old-pvp-commendations-and-1-2/

I have to agree. They look pretty horrible : /

Quinn: I have been working on something in my free time, Lord. You may be interested! Me (flatly): What free time...?

I sell a magenta crystal on our GTN and /trade channel almost every single day for 200-300k, so don't think this guys experience is the same everywhere.

I don't know the voice actors name, but I swear the Twi'lek jedi boss from Black Talon is the same actor that did The Moon Priestess' voice from Warcraft 3.

Its artificers like you that have made me a rich, rich crafter. I love how everyone thinks you can only sell "end-game" crap. You know, there WERE 49 levels before that and people needed gear then too....

Spoiled little carebears these days, geeze. Like others have said, man up or don't go to the OPEN PVP servers with the big boys. It is obvious most people don't have experience with real PvP, and don't know what they are getting into when they select the server.

That was sarcasm, right? Spoiled gamers these days have no idea what harsh death penalties are.

This all the way. Bioware, I love this game, but the empty servers are killing it. Act while there are still people to keep around please!!

Wow. They only sell for 80k/10 on my server too. Should be a lot higher at that rate. I'm about to start selling Ice-Jewels instead of the hilts I make out of them : P

So you think it was random blind luck that netted me 30ish ice jewels at a lower level, with less affection? I sold 3 sets of 2 purple hilts and made 2 for myself way before I was 40, thats at least 32 ice jewels and I never once "noticed" it being hard. I got 2. In 1 week.

Thats actually what I have been doing the whole time with Vette....her affection is only halfway full, but still. Like I said I used to get them all the time...did something actually change? Thanks btw

Hmm according to this TORHead entry, they are supposed to drop from almost all the lvl 4 missions. Is anyone experiencing something similar? Is anyone finding Ice Jewels still? http://www.torhead.com/item/a8Z7onB/ice-jewel#crew-missions