^ This. It's not about lack of patience on our part, its about BW over promising and under delivering

Stereotyping gets you nowhere man. I don't care how long you have been playing MMO's or how old you are. I don't care how you feel about PvP players, your wrong. Yes many are like that but there are just as many recount watchers and people who only care about DPS in PvE. As someone else stated, many people who wanted to exclusively PvP rolled on a PvP server. PvE focussed players rolled on PvE. With the decline of PvP server that only tells you 1 thing. That PvP is lacking, not that all PvP players are fickle and impatient...just lol man. I've stuck through this game since release, warts and all. I really don't appreciate an arrogant individual like yourself grouping me into a category saying i'm impatient and fickle. Go a page back and read my Wall of Text, until then cool story brah.

WALL OF TEXT ALERT Ok on topic...I run a very successful PvP Guild on one of the higher pop PvP servers. Most of us have now unsubbed with the lack of a Ranked implementation. We are riding out our subs and our 30 days free and if it isn't here were offski. At peak times we have 4 groups of 4 running at the same time, maybe even some solo queuers are well. So why do we want ranked so badly? I'll tell you: Probably the most important fact...it has already been announced as being implemented, then delayed. Going to be pushing up a month now since it was pulled from the patch at the last minute. This is probably the biggest reason why people are wanting it in now, it was promised and they haven't delivered. Worst thing you can do in business is over promise and under deliver! Damages peoples faith in your brand. Announced to come in 1.2 and not until post 1.3 is unacceptable to paying customers! Game Value to us. Myself an my Guild pay our £8.99 only to play Warzones, the odd unscheduled operation every now and again but essentially just to be a solid WZ guild with great teamwork. Were not getting what we want for our money currently. We want to be able to queue as a full 8 man ops and test our skill & teamwork against other similar skill teams. Contrary to what most people think about competitive PvP players just wanting to just stroke their E-Peens, it has nothing to do with that. Its about enjoyment! It's not exactly fun beating a full PuG team. Where is the fun in not having to use all your skill to overcome an opponent and just steamrolling them? I play PvP as its a challenge overcoming the totally random decisions and actions of other players. We want to play teams our level Ranked Warzone's had the potential to become a highly competitive E-Sport, if they don't get ranked in soon they are going to have alienated their PvP community to such an extent that all the seriously competitive players have moved on to another game. These events are huge publicity. Spreaming and E-Sport events bring players to the game! But guess what they need as a starting point to move off from...A Ranking system so they know the best guilds capable of competing in these events are. Conclusion: Simple fact is that BW made too many server on release, they have spread their players way too thinly and they haven't done anything to counter it. I REALLY hope the reason they are doing this delay on Ranked is to make it X-server when it is implemented. If they do this not only will it keep a large % of the people complaining about lack or ranked, it may even bring people back. I find it entertaining to listen to the PvE players hating on here about PvP players, who cares about Ranked etc. Do you not realise that if you lose all or most of your PvP playerbase then your PvE content will be severely damaged due to lack of funding. As well as that, people who have an interest in PvP tend to be better players, not saying all PvE only players are bad, far from it, but PvP increases your reaction times and class knowledge more than PvE in which you're stood still a fair bit and not using all your abilities. BioWare has a long list of things to do atm but they really need to get their priorities right. Take everyone developing Legacy and useless vanity stuff off it and get your core game sorted: We need Ranked! We need Server Transfers! We need X-Server queueing. That is all you need right now...So go do eeeet, Pew Pew P.S. Do something with Ilum for god's sakes. You have a World PvP area there doing absolutely NOTHING. Turn it into a Wintergrasp where its a battle every 45 mins or whatever. Just SOMETHING to it, lol.

There is a lot of discussion about this currently and I feel as a community we REALLY need this clarifying. After watching the Podcast it remained unclear with the working they used if Ranked Warzones will arrive before 1.3 or after 1.3. I feel we need a Yellow post here to set things straight. +1 if you agree

Its pathetic to be competitive? Some people just aim higher than others. This is what your saying...You dont think like me therefore you are wrong. Yeh cool story brah. What is wrong with wanting to achieve something? I get great pleasure playing PC games and also great pleasure knowing how well IM performing, Its not for recognition by anyone else, it's for myself. You think SC2 or LoL would be popular with that attitude? The brand is promoted through streams and E-Sport events with the best people. You think they are pathetic? Its a perfectly normal human response to want clarification and achieve sometthing, no matter how large or small. It's a great shame that everytime anyone posts their views there is some jaded individual who needs to belittle others opinions and group you in with a stereotype for PvP players.

Naah with the delay on ranked to possibly past 1.3 we will all be gone by then, myself included. I hadn't inteneded on looking for another game for a good while but at this rate its going to be a year from release before all these things are done...X-server PvP, Ranked WZ's, Char Migration, closing dead servers (The Kumumgah being one of the worst where I started this game). Sorry BW, i've been very faithful to this game until now but its like watching paint dry!!! Who wants to hear about Legacy when all this core content is still to be added. Getting way beyond a joke now! So yeh myself who has been abjectly against GW2 as I couldn;t be bothered to play yet another MMO has now literally been FORCED to order as this is getting stale so fast now without higher levels of play. Its just not fun taking a 4 man or even 8 man if we are lucky with queues just to stomp nabs in WZ's

40 pvpers on my whole server? I have 40 (well 37) solid PvP playes in my Guild alone right now. Bloodworthy is very good for PvP guilds in general. Its called being competitive, never heard of it? People who take PvP seriously want to know just how good they are, as everyone of them is aiming for a No.1 spot. We already know we are one of the best on the server, we want to know how we fare against the rest of the servers. (I.E ranked should be X-server or not at all)

Never heard of teamwork then? I run a dedicated PvP guild, we don't PvE at all. The ranked feature is a MUST for Guilds like mine, how else are we you supposed to know how good you are in the grand scheme of things. WZ's had the potential be become quite a fun E=Sport to watch and participate in, now all the competition is dropping day by day as the PvP playerbase is not being catered for. Sorry I played WoW for ages and PvE is the same on every MMO now...dull. We firstly rolled on a server that is now dead (I was the only player on at primetime the other day for 50 mins). Most of us attained BM before the valour buff, a few even had War Hero. We re-rolled on Bloodworthy, and even that seems to be dropping in pop now. Simple fact is that BW have been going at a snails pace with key updates, and concentrating on pointless vanity additions like legacy instead of focussing on the core game issues: low pop / dead servers, Rated WZ's, merges etc. These are the priority issues. To have a major content patch that pretty much un-balances the classes and doesn't address the core issues is just fail. After 6 months of VERY loyal gameplay pretty much my whole guild has just unsubbed, were riding out our last month of gametime + the 30 days free. And going to look for the next project. I'm not going to look back on my time here as i've met some great people who in hope to play with in the future but seriously, best game in years destroyed by inept company.

/agree with everything but your last statement. a good team will be looking for van / PT DPS because they are easier to kill than the tank sin /shadows and sent / maras...MUCH easier...I've been playing pyro since release and also have a mara. When my server died in march (The Kumumgah) I re-rolled from a PT to a Van as i'm very capable with that class and enjoy playing it throughly. But my biggest gripe atm is not even with a specific class...Its all the TTK spoiling the game atm...period!

Great post. I agree with 90% of what is on here. BW have ruined this game by lowering the TTK a silly amount. There is no skill left, just choose a target and zerg them. Pre 1.2 the PvP was pretty damn balanced and required thought, now its just bashing a few keybinds as people die so fast, no skill involved. I've been running a PvP guild for 4 months on this game now and we have been doing exceptionally well. I can assure you that amongst my playerbase people are getting annoyed by the drop in skill needed or the need for decent group composition. P.S Ofc people are going to hate this post 80% of players are DPS, all they care about is the speed they kill at. Most DPS players fall into the 'Recount Watchers" as I like to call them. BW don't listen to the majority of them. I play DPS myself, i've now had frequent WZ's with over 600k dmg. Fact is that I die in seconds....you want a quick fix which may help? Buff the defensive stat gained from expertise. With current DPS values i'd say as much as 10%, maybe even more

Meh I have been waiting patiently for 5 months for them to sort out pretty much only what Taugrim said needed doing in his class balancing. My original server died and I have to re-roll a lv 67 Valour Main, lose 26 Legacy, 4 months of my life working on a character that I can't play due to extremely low server pop. Now after the last 5 weeks I have just hit Waro Hero on my new main on a new server and 1.2 hits...what a joke seriously. To start with I just assumed it was because I wasn't full BM geared yet that I was getting pwned in seconds. After 2 days I got my full BM gearz only to find that I still die in seconds. /agree most of the skill has been taken out of the game now. The TTK is just stupid now, how a patch like this can go live is beyond me, it was all shaping up so nicely as well. Turned from a game that I preferred more than WoW (5 Year player) into a game im struggling not to get pissed off with before I complete my PvP daily. I think this may be the straw that broke the camels back. I had no intention of looking into another MMO yet Tera and GW2 are looking more and more likely with each passing day for me. Well done BW you have broken a game with some of the most potential I have ever seen.

Pyro is probably one of the most damaging specs in the game. What they lack compared to Mara/Sent is the survivability. They have next to none compared to the many powerful defensive CD's that the warriors have. 1v1 as a high level Pyro player I have no chance against a good mara with their CD's up. This is why you see more Mara as they are better at smaller fights, of which there are many in WZ's. Van / PT Pyro is now VERY team dependant, they NEED the guard and heals to be viable now with the huge drop in TTK.

If I hear that 1 more time....

From the changes I feel that BW are actually forcing people in this direction. Thing is PvP was the strongest point of this game with very little PvE to do before 1.2. Now they released more PvE content they are forcing everyone to do it...NOT COOL!!! This game has many PvP only people. My Guild os 40 strong with only PvP players. We will stop playing before we are forced to do PvE, lets hope BW realises that people pay to play a game and expect to be able to get out of it what they want, not what BW wants!

I came from The Kumumgah...Remember Sith Happens & Rage Quit? 5 weeks ago we re-rolled onto Bloodyworthy as it became unplayable over there. The only active PvP guild on Pub side left the server and all we were doing was playing nothing but Huttball against each other and our own guild. Guess what, we were all opening tickets weekly, even daily sometimes to try get some sense out of the customer service, they didn't listen. We had to re-roll War Hero and BM champs from The Kumumgah with 25-30 Legacy. 4 months of life totally wasted with no compensation at all. We are very happy on our new server but seriously, many of us are VERY P1553D that we had to ditch our chars of 4 months because BW totaly neglected pop decline when it was essentially THEM who made too many servers.] Oh did i mention I got BM BEFORE it was easy, and now have 2 lv 50's stuck on a server that isn't playable...I will seriously be expecting free migration and faction change when it becomes available, if people are still subscribing then. Great game being run by interns and novices from what ive seen so far

I agree with the first few replies 100%. Strictly on-topic, yes why nerf Warzone Credit Gain? If anything it needed buffing. In 15 mins you can do 3 dailies maybe = 30k + Credits. Why does the same time period for WZ's not grant similar Credit gain. I HATE PvE after playing it for so long in WoW and I must say forcing me to PvE to earn Credits will quickly make me lose interest with the game in 1.2. Why bother even changing it in the first place? Its not like even pre 1.2 it gave that many credits. Now with the Legacy introducted (which btw I think is very poorly designed...most items costing 1mil Creds or more. What were they on when it was decided that those would be the prices for Legacy unlocks, for PvE players Raiding is expensive, people need creds for staying on top of gear and repairs etc, for PvP you get hardly any credits anyway). Where are we supposed to magic these Creds from to waste on Legacy? I only know a very small amount of people with millions of credits and guess what, they are PvE crazy...Poor design! The game now feels like its punishing people who PvP only. Which I can tell you is a LOT of players. As for the first 4-5 months of release you had 2 Ops to do that were SOOOOO easy. People quickly got bored of PvE content and played WZ's a lot. Now you release some new PvE and expect everyone to jump on the bandwagon...Cater for your PvP only players of your going to lose even more of your playerbase. Oh yeh an having 20-30 End-Game dailies yet removing Ilum, leaving >>> 1 <<< PvP daily and killing World PvP...smooth moves. Cant say i've had any problems with gaining WZ comms tho. FInd a Guild, Get a group and play your class to the best of your ability. All the time your probably spending typing in WZ's is time that is costing you medals, think about that P.S Weekly offered more rewards pre-1.2 why not now? 99 Ranked & 99 WZ for a WEEKYL quest...joke!

Someone who get's MMO's +1 bro

Not really, I re-rolled Rupublic (from Imp) on a high populated server when my Original server died. This was forward planning as there will always be more imps than pubs, ad when X-Server comes out this will mean MUCH faster queue times. Still tho I must have played 30+ WZ's yesterday, lost 4 I think and never waited for more than 6 mins for a pop. I'm cushty man Tallahassee - Time to nut up or shut up

Well to be fair your responses have been very rational compared to 99.9% of this thread so kudos for that Your point is very valid that if you really don't like the direction the MMO has evolved in then ofc you will look elsewhere. I strongly feel tho that 1.2 is one of the biggest patches I have ever seen in any game. There are a LOT of changes to get your head around, just gotta play it out a little bit to really get your head around it. Still tho, i'd give it at least a week to 2 weeks before making any decisions if I were not happy with what had changed. 1 Day is not enough in any game let alone an MMO.

No this is something that needs looking at i'll agree, been seeing tracers doing some silly dmg on their end move. Its not a tracer its the 31pt talent at the end of the tree. As I gather it wasn't stacking a debuff on the enemy as it should. This is now working as intended and it has left this move being VERY potent. Despite what people are saying about BW tho, they ARE listening to their community and it would be much easier for them to make changes if they didnt have to scroll through 79 pages of QQ to get 1 constructive point they could actually use. Tanky Van's do seem to have been hit the worse of the Tank classes as well. Sin/Shadow still very strong surviv and dmg, and guardians are still sods to kill. Think Van's need their defensive CD's looking at. Compared to every other melee we come off very poorly in that aspect. Sins = force cloak, removes DoT's, can't be dotted, can't be CC'd, huge deflect and resistances....Van/PT 25 % dmg reduction. This is an aspect I believe BW should look at, not gonna cancel my sub over it tho

We all knew support classes were too strong. I've seen merc / commando healers tanking 5 people, 2 of them on my old server were ball carriers in Huttball just healing each other and inexorably moving to the score line as they physically could not be killed when together. They needing bringing back into balance. But as soon as that balance changes everyone is ready to QQ again. Some people are just never happy. Myself and my Guild feel this is a highly positive patch with some excellent changes. Yes there are still some imbalances that need fixing and maybe some tweaking with the expertise stat, but cancelling your sub on a patch day is a vast over-reaction!

Tbh I have found but a FEW posts here with any credibility at all. This is what I read in this post...Blah Blah Blah! You are all talking about cancelling your subs on a patchday. I say the community will be better off without you! How on earth you think you know everything within a few hours of patch is shocking. Me and my Guild are loving this patch. Yes burst is a little high and there are still balancing issues to work through but 1 day is barely enough to get to grips with your class changes, let alone perform well. YOU are clearly doing something wrong. But ofc if you get killed lots in the games fault not yours....coz your pro right? You are all QQing about the gear difference between Recruit, Cent & Champ gear BM gearz...farm BM gearz then, not hard. I personally got the 3 most expensive bits of BM yesterday (about 4.5k WZ comms), and expect to complete my gear today...hell 2 days to gear, "oh no BW I feel so hard done to" QQ. Grow a pair would you and suck it up. If you are not in BM gear right now you are at a disadvantage, yes. But its not hard to obtain. But no people would rather QQ like little children as something has changed and they have to get used to something new. If you can't deal with change don't play MMO's, they are ever evolving! Seriously think this is mainly a crapola thread. I'm playing an Assault Spec Vanguard, Damage still rocks, getting 13-16 medals average, can now get 100 WZ comms per match. I think its the age old issue of be better, get better gear and play with a Guild. If all you do is solo queue in low gear ofc your gonna die a LOT, especially vs a premade team (Though why you would queue without a full Guild group is beyond me). Engage brain before raging kiddies! The game is now faster paced, requires quicker reactions and more skill to play well, people who want an easy ride are obviously gonna be miffed coz they actually have to work now. Think these buys should boot up an old classic and bash in IDDQD

People are really struggling to get 8 medals?...WoW!...I'd blame the player not the game. Be better! Im playing an Assault Spec Van and getting 13-16 medals is the average for me. Yes im more squishy but then I always was. Dmg has gone way up tho, be a better player, get better gear, and roll a decent group comp before whining is my input.

Yes the game pace has gone up, yes people are dying faster. And I bet 99.9% of the people QQing do not have full BM gearz. Im sat at 1000exp at playing assault spec. Im squishy but the damage is insane. 629k dmg in a Voidstar with Assault Spec / Pyro...nuff said!

I play Vanguard/PT and No way has my damage dropped. I really dislike whyen people state things as fact they know nothing about. Had 629k DMG in a Voidstar yesterday, hardly call that a nerf bro's. Yes I agree with Sin/Shadows tho. There is no counter class or counter-play to them at all. The Tanky/DoT hybrids are owning every class period. Pre 1.2 I knew this Sin who got immortal (9 medals) in the first 1min 30 secs of play while for some pure DPS classes this was next to impossible over a whole game. Its alright saying that "they are ASSASINS they are supposed to be hard", but at the end of the day it is just a class name, and the classes should be as balanced as possible. I may be able to still do insane burst as assault spec / pyro but I crumple like paper when focussed, pure glass cannon. When you see Shadow hybrids doing a 1v3 and winning you know there is something wrong there.