OP: http://25.media.tumblr.com/9921d74e55a0f34b7b6e6b4ed2ba9c19/tumblr_n031bnIb0C1qd23vuo1_400.gif Also we seriously need to troll these people who threw away fifty dollars to transfer their toons and then spent it again fleeing back to an RP server. It's a sacred duty.

All dark side options are lore for the Imperials. Ergo, Thana is dead. Sorry.

Lot of PvP going down lately at all tiers. We also have a few spots for all roles on our progression HM team 2. Good time to join up!

The republic is going to win this war. I'm interested to see how both Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath are going to survive the collapse of the empire as we know it now. How will the remaining sith link up with the Brotherhood of Darkness? Marr already suggests BoD ideology on Makeb. Will Marr create the Brotherhood? Is the war the Brotherhood fights in the Bane trilogy the same war we are fighting now? The lore is murky, and the Clone Wars series proves there is little fear in rewriting whole sections of Star Wars history. I eagerly await what the Emperor has in store for Tython (as Tython is a destroyed, dark side planet in the times of Bane)

This isn't accurate. Marr explicitly says the Wrath may act with impunity -if his actions are in line with the Dark Council.- It's a tenuous relationship which is illustrated well on Makeb. Concerning the titles, Zash says that only a Darth may raise an apprentice to the status of Lord in the SI story on DK. There is a finite hierarchy for the titles within the Empire at this time. Kaan removed this, as envious lords would seek a Darth's power to create their own powerbase of lords, destroying the best sith and leaving the sith vulnerable. He made everyone a "Sith Lord" to catalyze an emergent sense of unity within the order. Bane rejects this, as we know. He claims that there are no "Darths" because no one is worthy to defend and own the title. To the Bane sith, "Lord" and "Darth" are the same, as any lord of the sith worthy of the rule of two is a "Darth." The two terms become interchangeable as one necessarily begets the other in the confined space of the Rule of Two.

Can confirm if you think Sorcs are "god" than you have either never played one or given the topic of killing one 3 seconds of thought. Ranged classes always have greater numbers in PvP, in any game.

EH PvP is a nice mix of n00bs in PvE gear and carebear premades using said n00bs as an excuse to run 4 man premades in unranked.

I noticed on a third or fourth play through of the Warrior story that Darth Baras, on Dromund Kaas, alludes to a disturbance in the force that could result in the destruction of him and his powerbase. He immediately assumes it to be Jaesa Wilsaam, with good reason. I got to thinking, though, that is basically exactly what the warrior does in Chapter 3. Also, Jaesa's fate is more intertwined with the Warriors than it is was Baras. Was Baras wrong, then? Was the disturbance in the force not Jaesa but rather the Warrior?

When can we start making fun of all the pub players who left and came back because they sucked?

Republic players QQing about premades is pretty amazing. Remember, like, 6 months ago? Also I got absolutely trounced by Pub premades this morning so maybe there's hope yet you guys can carry each other through unranked on an RP server?

WRF has been friendly and inclusive with me since I joined. Presently there's a great opportunity to get into HM content if you have the desire.

Attitude could use some work but the point is the same. 10 seconds is way too long. A couple of global cooldowns is all a tank needs.

A bad one, in poor taste, that is antithetical to the thread. More PV people should post here. The passive-aggressive nature of their statements says more than anything I could post.

This entire thread has been civil and people have respected each other. Not doing wonders for your guild image by making accusations of dishonesty without any proof.

Hello, I'm looking to join a 55 PvP/Ops guild with my DPS Juggernaut, Erobern. I'm mainly looking for a friendly community in which to participate in, and an opportunity to run DF/DP (any difficulty). I also have a 55 Scoundrel (Bukharin) that can heal SM ops on republic side at his current gear level. My gear is mainly 72 with a few 69 enhancements/mods better than the purchasable 72s. I only have the +8% to ravage set bonus, and am missing the saber toss set bonus. I've hit a wall with what I can accomplish on my own in terms of gear, hence my urge to join with people of like mind. I have completed all ops in HM except DF/DP which I have only done in SM. I have only done EV and KP in NM. I run a lot of warzones, so support for that aspect of the game would also be great. Here's proof I can smack a dummy for five minutes: http://www.torparse.com/a/547165 Thanks for any consideration and help, Erobern

Ok, it's average for someone who knows remotely what they're doing. Happy? This is standard shadow play.

You realize this works exclusively for Lethality/Dirty fighting no? Concealment operatives are just boned, then, I suppose?

I like this idea but it will never happen in TOR PvP. People QQ about getting stunned (a fairly easily managed situation). Can you imagine the tears if people were killing their own team on accident (or on purpose)?

Lethality/Dirty Fighting is completely viable. If a healer is wasting their time cleansing your debuffs (while you're still culling them with residual dots) your friends will have an easy time with them. Concealment/Scrapper is terrible at 55. It's great when you're level 54, when you're 55, it sucks. I'm not saying you can't top DPS charts with it, it's just not going to perform nearly as well as other DPS classes. I think they need to significantly increase the alacrity you get when activating backstab (to perhaps 10 to 15%) and offer some damage reduction upon exiting stealth or something.

Standard marauder/sent QQ here. Same ****, different year.

Ebon Hawk is a nice mix of utter noobs and care-bear premades rolling said noobs.

If they limit stuns healers will be impossible to kill and DPS classes will pwn even more. Perhaps you just don't like PvP. Or losing.

"Why do we make premades in the first place?" Because you do not enjoy fair competition, which you basically said with your post. Thanks for clarifying.

Solution: Stop being a baby and do solo queues without your friends constantly carrying you. I have an entire guild of friends, I just don't queue with the stupid advantages we have built over several games with each other. Whatever, the TOR pvp community has been killing itself since launch (in more ways than one).

Scout up to a node and hide in a corner. Stationary dogfighting is soo much fun! Or roll a gunship and one shot people. In doing this you will discover the amazing skill it takes to do starfighter! Afterwords, come to the forums and be an elitist nob about how uber you are to legitimate criticism of system design.