Sorry for the late reply, apart from the forum posting ban, I live in Australia so the time zones aren't conducive to keeping up with the debate. Thanks for the feedback, positive and negative, and I'd like to reply to a few things raised. 1. I'm sorry but my experience of MMO's is that the majority of players are not there for playing PvP, admittedly I only played on PvE servers, but even so the PvP crowd tended to be the vocal minority rather than a majority. In the early days the number of PvE servers vastly outweighed the PvP servers in WoW, now its at 50-50, this hardly makes the majority of players PvP orientated. It also goes to prove my point the game has shifted more towards PvP on the back of those vocal minority and their complaints about 'balance and OP". If you think the SWTOR forums are bad the campaigns by a few to have a particular class/spec/ability nerfed in the forums was/is unreal. As I said in the original post I believe this has been the ruination of the game that I loved, the story, and atmosphere, when it first came out and through to about the first few months of Wrath. 2. To people who are concerned that the 'In the Army' idea would prevent them from accessing PvE or PvP after they chose a particular path, well I did say that you would be able to come and go freely between the 'Army' and normal PvE. The only restriction is the gear/specs and abilities between the 2 which would cause an imbalance in PvP from the PvE side of the game. Tbh I would see possibilities of making the 'Army' attractive in its own right for the PvPers for example a military rank, maybe uniform to show what you had achieved in PvP. Where as PvEers would have their tier type sets. 3. Lastly I would like to say to those that implied I'm a PvP hater, I'm not, I just don't play MMO's for PvP, but I do play MW3 et al. My first love was FPS aka Counterstrike, and I have a gaming history that stretches back to Lander on a ZX81 in 1980. In other words I'm an old fart, but I have a HUGE gaming history, so please take this idea and these comments as a reflection of that, not a PvP hate campaign. This game has huge potential, and I want to see it live up to that potential, screaming at the devs 1 month into the game about why this game is not WoW (because from what Ive seen that's what the majority of the complaints are about) is unrealistic and frankly petulant. The speed with which BW is rolling out patches and bug fixes is mind boggling, and I want to say well done on that (you really have rose-tinted glasses if you think Blizzard has EVER achieved that), a few hours downtime is nothing compared to improved gameplay. The purpose of the OP was to flag an idea to prevent a future path SWTOR could go down to avoid the flaws (I personally feel) that crept into WoW over time, that was all. Thanks all. Vakh