I check the server status page and it shows they are all up. I log into the game and it takes me to the server select screen and nothing is there.

I'll give you maybe the last 4 years, but during Vanilla and TBC WoW was a really good MMO. People were all over the place doing all sorts of stuff. Since LK and the Dungeon finder tool it's become a chat room basically, and not even really that.

They will fix some of it, some of it is working as intended. You have to remember WoW didn't even have PvP ranks until like the 8 month mark. It didn't even end game either. The end game was 5 man instances tuned for 10-15 people to slow people down so they could get the raids in the game. This was the correct way to do things.

You do understand that this is basically what he's getting at right? People rush up to be elite to get the best stuff, then complain nothing is there for them to do? They are missing the entire point of the game. They are part of the GIVE IT TO ME GENERATION. In one reply that was saying it's TL:DNR. He replied it was by design. The people complaining that it's to long, are the same people he's talking about in this post. They can't even take 5 min to read a post. They feel anything more than needing 1 day played to max out a game is to long. Then they whine there are bugs and there is no content. If Bioware held the game back to fix those bugs and add the content then these would be the same people that are complaning that BW needs to get their crap togethor and launch the game.

I didn't read the whole thing, but I still got what the OP was saying. Mainly cause I was thinking the same type of thing earlier today. I started to realize that one reason so many complain is they are still looking for that same feeling they got when they first left the starting area of WoW (most people in the MMOs today started there). Now I didn't start with WoW, but it was the first one that I really was able to sit down and play and really get into and really enjoy. I even remember my first kill on WoW, it took me 10 minutes to loot the thing, but I remember it. I remember clearing out of the starting Dwarf area and then going through the tunnel. I remember seeing all of Dun Morogh open up in front of me thinking OMG I have to explorer all of that? As you run through the mountains to the first town you catch glimpses of where you are going to be later on. You see Ironforge hidden in the mountains, and catch glimpses of other players already riding off to some place on a gryphon. I remember I found I could make a campfire, and I did right outside the inn. I probably sat there for 40 min just talking to random people that walked by. All the while there was a Night Elf dancing on the steps next to us. The first time you enter IF, or the first time you took Tram, and wondered why am I moving East and West, but on the map I go North and South hmm....Who doesn't remember the first time in Molten Core. You enter and walk around the corner and see two massive Giants. Then take on the Fire Elementals. As you cross that first bridge you stare at the Core Hounds that are pathing around. You just think OMG how are we going to do this. I'm sure people will come and flame this thought of how lame and stupid WoW is. How simple it is, how kiddie it is. These are the same people that are still chasing the high I just described probably from WoW. It is the top dog and people always like it when the top dog goes down. Nobody can argue that WoW is a well designed, and for the most part well coded game. Does it have issues yes, are the bugs yes, are their exploits, of course there. You are going to have those issues with every piece of software it's just going to happen. I watch a good amount of Criminal Minds, and have read some Profiling books. One thing they say quite often in the show is that the serial killer is chasing that feeling they got with their first kill. Perfecting their craft chasing it, but they always know they will never get that feeling quite the same way. I honestly think a lo of the complaining that goes on comes from that same area. Everybody wants that same feeling of grandeur when you first walk up to Orgrimmar, or first time you saw Ragnaros pop from the lava. If just some of the zones were so large and well done. Azshara was probably one of the coolest looking zones. Also not forget that Blizzard behind only maybe SquareEnix has some of the best music in any of their games. Every song fit every zone it was designed for. It really set the mood for the game. So mainly people are chasing those first feelings they had. At this point though it's all old hat, been there done that. It's more or less repackaged goods. Call of Duty is the same way. Lots of people were so enamored with the original. So blown away by the gameplay. Now in the new one one of the biggest complaints is there has been virtually no change in the gameplay. If they do make a drastic change people are going to complain cause they aren't use to it. People enjoy the new one every time it comes out, but I don't think they get same feeling they got when they were finally going up against friends in the original.

Well remember all the actors accept the main characters were British in the movies. In fact the movies almost didn't get made cause they weren't meeting deadlines because the British crews refused to work through tea times and after 6:00 or 7:00 pm. Don't believe me it's part of whole documentary that was put out a few years ago. About the making of the original movies.

Who is to say that the people complaining are American? I don't see them put that on their post anywhere? Also while we do bombard CS with stupid things I'm sure. There are some reports that were written awhile ago that showed Americans actually complained the least about somethings than any other country in the world. One of the lowest was food, we pretty much eat anything you put in front of us . The main point to the report though was Americans want everything perfect, but when it's not very few go out of their way to complain about it to get it fixed.

Just got over it. No matter what time maintenance is somebody is going to get screwed over. The biggest paying customer base is probably in the states so they choose to interupt it less. It would be the samething any of you would do if you running the company. They do it at the time they do cause they might get 50 complainers from EU. You do it primtime for US and they will 1000s probably. It's just better business.

The droid is just trying to please you. My mako doesn't really talk much even when we enter new zones. Though she has told me a few times to many that Braden, Jory and herself would end up in a cantina at the end of a bounty.

I think a lot of it is roleplaying. Who shot first in the cantina, but also why should you be able? It's in every other MMO and even most single player games allow you to do this, so why not SWTOR.

I'll admit did not read the replies but this is why I do not like the Cross Server Option. If the tool is your server only you can still police people. If I go into a group and a total dbag to people. Calling them names rolling need on loot I don't need etc..than I can be put on an ignore list. The tool will no longer put me with those people. You do this enough and you will never be able to use the tool or find a group through chat. It would be your own problem so you need the behave accordingly so people want to be around you. If it's cross server the above is thrown out the window. People join there is no talking, or there is constant berating. GO GO GO GO. Being called all sorts of names. You are already seeing it if people aren't willing to skip cutscenes. The community needs to be able to police itself. Just like back in EQ. You knew who you could group with and trust to get the job done, or who was going to stick around even if you wiped. You also knew those people who had to take the dog out or smoke a cig every 5 min hoping to be pulled through stuff. You stayed away from the people you didn't want to be around. In a cross server LFG tool you go with who the server gives and it gives them the right to be as big of aholes as they want. Just go read some responses on sites like CNN when racism and stuff is brought up. You would think we are back in the early 1800s when slavery was at it's peak. And some comments would even make the slave owners blush. And it's done simply because they can and nothing can be done to them about it.

Bit torrent server running....where?

Ok, first there is a rather embarrassing typo, at least I hope it's a typo in your post. Secondly they are aware of the issue, and are working on it I'm sure. I remember a friend of mine upgraded to a top of line Alienware system in 2005 to be able to play WoW on max settings. Turns out WoW was not very compatible with Alienware. He couldn't get over 5 fps a sec. He returned the computer and got something lower quality from Dell I believe and it played perfectly. Of course blizzard has fixed the issue, but it took awhile. Same thing is going to happen here. You technically only need around 25 fps to play anyway. Your eyes don't register much more than that.

It is the ability to have 2 fully different specs. So I could have Pyrotech (DPS for BH) I can also have Bodyguard (Healing). So I could fill two possible roles for a group. It does make grouping a little quicker, but most believe that if dual spec is in a game everybody that can have a tank or heal spec will, and this just isn't the case. Healing and Tanking are a mindset and only certain types of people do it. So while it does help slightly it isn't normally noticeable.

Yeah but the problem is they are normally vocal enough that Developers make the changes they cry for ruining the experience so many other people that are busy playing enjoyed.

Again though do you know how long it took for it to get where it is today? You asked me if I was new to MMOs. With that kind of response you seem like the new one. WoW did not run smoothly for everybody till probably the tail end of Vanilla. So close to two years into it's life cycle the major launch bugs and optimizations were finally resolved. People need to get out of this ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW, I know better than the Developers way of thinking. Every game isn't Madden (basically roster upgrade) or Call of Duty (new map) for each new release.

New to MMOs? Not in the least. Been playing multitude since EQ. I get that bring up the issue is the best way to get it fixed, but this is beating a dead horse. Count how many threads out there on the bad UI. You think your one post will get noticed quicker by BW than the others? Most of these are personal issues. Also your hardware being ATI I have some friends that have that same card and get 2-3 Frames per second. Even with the latest drivers. There is optimization that needs to be done. I remember when WoW first came out, and knew some people that went and bought the latest Alienware systems. Something with the way Alienware setup their hardware made it so WoW couldn't run over 5 fps. After Blizzard was made aware they found the issue and fixed it. It will take at least 1 year before a lot of your issues with the game are resolved. It was the same way with WoW. People have got to learn to let the company release a game, listen to a wider audience (not getting the same complaint 1k times a day) and then make adjustments. It's the only any game in this era is going to become successful. The problem is so many people have become spoiled by the polish on WoW after 7 years of development in a live enviroment they feel all games should be that way and it just isn't so.

Yeah but see you kinda are. The two biggest reasons you are forced to are... 1. Extra rewards given from using the tool 2. That is how the majority of the people want to group. The though of working to find a group or leaving a city apalls most people after awhile. Most people just turn off the /1 and /Trade channels and sit and wait on the queue. So you are sort of forced into using these tools, simply cause the tools that play the game refuse to chat with people.

I only read the top 2 lines of your post, and stopped. Cause LFG channel or tool is not meant to build community. Building community is done by talking to the people you join a group with, or just randomly talking to people you come across in a city. I mean I get it the thought of just talking to a stranger is so obsurd to people, but believe it or not that is how it was done when MMOs were both fun games and social enviroments. Gasp I must talk to people to have a community who ever could have thought....

Pretty much said this in another post. It's the way people are now. WoW brought in so many people to the genre, and a lot of them were FPS people, that any game over 10 hours is to long. If you can't hit max level in a day played then it's to slow leveling. If it takes less than 23.9 hrs played to max level there isn't enough content. There really isn't anything developers can do. They put so much money into the game that if it doesn't keep and hold subs it fails. So they have to make unwanted changes to keep the impatient people happy, which then turns off the rest of the crowd. If they don't put in the changes then people leave, if they do put them in people leave. Then servers become under popluated and the game starts to fail. A lot of it can be traced back to simply leveling to fast.

This the norm for MMOs. You out levelled everybody else in the game. And are now complaining that there is nothing to do. MMOs are launched with the end game content not finished on purpose. If people took their time to level, or if a company was smart like Blizzard (back at WoW Launch) they would make the instances at max level to hard to do with a normal group to slow people down. There wouldn't be this issue. With that being said, it is ironic that MMOs are not the least social type of games out there. You get more interaction through single player forums then you do MMOs. This is mainly due to how streamlined WoW has become. Everybody just wants to sit in a town and do nothing and say nothing till their queue pops. That is also why World PvP is dead. Warzones make it easy. You can sit and do nothing and have rewards given to you even for losing, or you can go out and try to hunt your prey and lose and get nothing for it. The current gen players are always going to take the lazy way out. The only way to get back to the things you want would be for a company like a Blizzard with unlimited money for the most part to make a lower budget game and only expect 200k subs of truly dedicated fans and keep the difficulty up like they did with Everquest. Then you are only going to get people that are wanting to talk and play with other people. As it is now nobody wants to cause you don't have to. There was somebody on her complaining that they were going to quit because a quest was to hard. Even after people were telling them exactly what to do, and the tricks to the fight they were still saying no quest should be to hard for one person to solo. Unfortunely this is not a small sampling of the player base this is what the player base has become. ME ME ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW NOW, oh I have to use more than just one skill RAGE QUIT! It's a shame really, there have been some good ideas for MMOs in the past 10 years, but none ever took off because of the shear laziness of our culture and society. Hand it to me or I don't want it.

Umm, hold your roll for a sec with that. WoW didn't have Dual spec till what Wrath? So that would be like 2008?

See you say this, but just like people say DPS meters are only for making sure people are pulling their own weight. Or mods like Gearscore are just to make sure you are geared enough for the raid. People then abuse what it was intended for. If you aren't doing enough dps, or don't have high enough gearscore that is far above what is needed, or you do not have the proper dual spec people choose to not bring you along. You are then technically forced to do something you shouldn't be just to have a chance to group up in a game.

What exactly is happening? There are times I just miss Party chat cause the window isn't in the normal spot and it's a different color by default than any other MMO out there.

Yep, found the install location, and it was 35 GB. For some damn reason the patcher was downloading the game again. This has been one crappy day. 10 CST log on to play have a virus, take 6 hours cleaning and reinstalling, about an hour to reinstall the game. Then boom game tries to download all over again and doubles in size ***.