If as a shadow you are pulling low dps you are either not geared right or not playing right. Shadows in blance spec are the first or second highest dps class in the game. I dont know who you all have in your guids that play shadow but if they are pulling ow numbers they just dont know what they are doing. Also with the changes to infiltration I can keep up with and sometimes out dps a balance spec shadow if the fight has any type of break in the action. Either spec just has a different pay style you have to adjust for. As a shadow with any dps spec stack power and surge as much as you can. if you dont have 900+ bonus damage then you are wrong that is for PVE and PVP. You should only have between 20 and 25 percent crit unbuffed and 95-96 percent accuracy. Everything else should be wilpower power and surge. Do this learn to use your skills and in pvp and pve there is no other class that can touch you in damage. Also you have to understand that shadow are more of a single target class so in fights with aoe situations we will fall behind on damage. That should be expected high numbers are not everything. And I do even need to discuss or damge out put for pvp. If you cant kill every class other than classes in tank spec in 4 attacks or less as a shadow you simply dont know what you are doing if in infiltration spec and less than 5 attacks in balance spec. If you have any doubts to what I say create a toon on the harbinger and test my guild Dead weight and our shadows will destroy you and you wil be able to see waht a shadow is capable of.

If in Infiltration spec and u are still have trouble being squishy u are not keeping shadows respite up enough. If you try to fight with out it then you wiil be squishy. To avoid this you have to keepshadow respite and kinetic field up that is 30 percent damage reduction. I use my cloak and fade just to keep my force and shadows respite up and i have no trouble standing toe to toe with any class other than a power tech.ALso what is this lack of utility you all speak of. WE have 4 stuns and a slow how much more utility do you need. We can taunt also if we had any ore it would not be fair. Finally you will never have a 800k damage match but 500 and 600k matches are doable. I do that all the time we are single target damage no aoe. Our damage is not padded we kill we dont do useless damage.

Infiltration spec is a dying breed because people do not know how to play the class. Everyone wants to just stand and fight toe to toe. That is not how the class spec is meant to be played. Now that we have a possible 30 percent damage reduction for roughly 20 secs if done right we are anything but squishy. I have played infiltration since I started my shadow and never really had a problem killing anyone one when one on one and now with the changes no class can stand toe to toe with me unless I have low health and no cool downs. If you think our class has any issues now then its not the class spec its your play style. Our job is to kill healers and help with focus targeting. We will never have a lot of damage because our stats are not padded by miscellaneous damage such as dots and other aoe that gives stats but kills no one. I always have a lot of solo kill and killing blows. Why because that is what i do kill healers dont get a chance to heal the target a lot of the time or if i am on them they cant heal themselves because i interrupt or stun them. I guess what i am trying to say is if you wanna be a brawler make a sentinel or guardian. if you like being sneaky and killing healers then this infiltration is the spec to play.

If you fear a sorcerer or sage in this game as any class you do not know what you are doing.

I have wasted time reading all the whining on this thread about op shadow spec and under powered spec. Both statements are false we are the most balanced class in the game you just have to learn to play each spec. I am infiltration and i can destroy ever class even tank shadows/assassin it just takes more skill bit i have the same problem with jugger/guardians and powertech/vanguards but i can kill all of them if i play right. i am always top 3 at the end of the match if i want to be and i have great survival skills if my cooldowns are up if they are not then i have the ability to run. which is what the spec is meant to do. No matter what class u are fighting if you are attacking when the pop defensive cooldowns run and wait until they wear off. I have played all three spec of shadow and infiltration fits me. I wish people would stop complaining because they are not better than other players and so they blame it on the class imbalance. I hate sentinel/murders i thought they were op but i took the time to learn to kill now i think they are a joke. I hated sorcerors just the same and i learned to interrupt their heals now i can destroy them to. People must also take into account that every class has another class that they are strong/weak against and you must adapt your game play to maximize your effectiveness. Stop feeling like you should be able to kill everyone and never die. Its Pvp you are gonna get killed. Maybe if you killed the healers healing those who seem impossible to kill you would not have so much trouble.