Looks awesome. Though my way to get the gear necessary to be viable is paved with pain and suffering. Tried a similar build coming out of 50 and i get destroyed without much gear on. So, I went with a darkness build for better survivability, later on will be switching back to deception when gear is better.

Bah. Wrong thread...

So remove the vendors and gear? That's rather silly, don't you think? You're telling me that my game experience (dictated as well by the gear that i wear to be competent in both pvp and pve battles) should be dependent on how much credits I have and not how much I have done in the game (outside of crafting)? Hence, if I have 50K credits to spare for an epic lvl 15 leggings then I'm done. Why quest outside of your class quest? Gear is an additional motivation to complete quests (in addition to xp and credits). Now we just mindlessly quest for XP? With your proposal, credits and gear/commendations should be negligible rewards in quests as they will now be sourced from the GTN. Another thought, why don't we just openly invite more gold farmers in the game? Instead of removing the commendation vendors, how about just creating a balance between the acquisition of credits and commendations. Increase the cost of commendation gear slightly in relation to credits instead of removing them. Or like some others have suggested, decrease the money sinks in game to increase the currency floating around for trade. Buff the crafted items slightly better than commendation gear and impose a level cap on crewskills. All these so that the option is still there for people who want to quest instead of day trade. Let the game mature. Let BW do their job.

that epic bike sells for only 2K on our server (wound)... other not sure but i have both in the bank i think.. most i was able to sell prenerf was epic slice missions for 20K. i know! Last one sold night before nerf, felt so guilty.

never seent bountiful or rich on class 6.

BW seems to be encouraging that not I.

Well, the "can-afford" casual players will just resort to buying credits as well.. We know how that screws up econ as well. Same bullsith just different way..

if he drove you home in lamborghini. serious: says at the bottom of each mission - rich lockboxes, bountiful, abundant, moderate..

What applies to some doesn't translate to all.

Are you saying he's incompetent as well? hah! Anyway, IMO they should tune slicing back up a bit or provide a definition of the skill and create a necessity for it (>craft crits), else drop and take another skill.

Some people would rather pay real $ for game money for a few reasons. Depends on how much one values effort and time w/ consideration to your spending ability (irl), of course.

Fishing in wow still gave you fishes (what it was/is intended for) w/ cooking was of great value to keep or sell (not sure on Cata >). Still wanting to know if Slicing is really meant for just augments and the lockboxes are supposed to be just insignificant bonus creds. If so, then how in-demand augments can ever get since it's reliant on crafting crits. Hmn. 1651 posts and you'd think somebody from BW would care to calm things down. hah!

Based on the spreadsheet with ave net profs of about 300 hundred credits, i think it's credible. Don't know how often they get goods to vendor though.

/shrug (want to know as well what the skill's primarily for...)

I think we should be able to ride/mount our companions. That'll be great and sometimes sexy!

WWGLD what would George Lucas do....

I think this thread alone is worth the $80+tax i paid for this game.

I think pro and anti-slicing (prenerf) could've coexisted. Meaning, as a slicer I could spend 50K on a crafted armor/weapon/etc... cause I had the means. Both parties happy. I think there are some folks not connecting these dots. However, I think it's Bioware's in-game vendors that are qq'ing. Hell, they can't adjust their prices, can they? I think they mass petitioned Bioware for this nerf not the gen public. Maybe, Bioware wants to gain huge affection with these vendors? Make babies perhaps?

I had issues with taking back control as well. It gave me consistent losses followed by minute gains enough to give me a hundred or so credits after about 8 or so last night. Finding and Fly it is..

Nice. Thanks!

I was slicing and made bank but it's fine either way. At my level I can already afford lvl 40 and 50 mounts+training. Isn't that great? But seems too easy. I'm not saying it's wrong. But I shouldn't be able to afford all those at lvl 31, right? However if the game is designed this way then I'm perfectly fine. If not, then let us know what is expected out of a skill so we can move on to greener pastures. Well i'm moving on anyway, just riding the nerftroll wagon i guess... I agree on the universal hurt on slicing but maybe it's designed to be like this after all. Or maybe not. Few months from now, with or without tuning(if this game survives) the eco will stabilize barring no other significant nerfbats on such and people will adjust and adapt.

I think they prioritize based on level of effort on the devs unless something is "down". Hence, UI changes and system/process addons will be at the bottom and "tuning" always be on top.

I think both sides have good and bad points. Whatever they are, it is what it is. Stop crying and keep playing or quit/drop slicing. If Bioware decides to fix it then so be it, if not fine. Like many said, it's just a game; a break from life. Nothing can ever be perfectly balanced. IMO, Bioware never anticipated such a trend and result. They were left with either adjusting in-game prices to balance the influx of currency or nerfbat the skill. Latter is easier. Now if we can just get a good LFG system and GTN ui.....

Honestly, it was unpredictable. I remember 2V with no affection getting me the 5K credit (~3K profit) on a mission. Khem did ~2K profit on a mission. I've seen Khem (highest affection) doing just a couple of hundred profit.. Too little of a sample to predict but gives a better picture that it isn't all negative returns. Most are still profit but significantly less than before.

Here's a few more mission stats I've done throughout the day: (you be the judge) 400 Slicing w/ 3 companions of varying affection... MISSION CST LVL RET the fly on the wall 1930 rich5 2973 pointing fingers 1250 btfl4 1311 be careful what you read 1045 btfl4 1246 blue schematic - hoverbike * 1930 rich5 5557 epic investigation * 1250 btfl4 1438 * 870 rich3 3016 epic diplomacy * 870 rich3 1294 * 535 rich2 465 * 1175 btfl4 1542 taking back control 2025 rich5 2125 the automated saboteur 870 rich3 763 the fly on the wall 1930 rich5 2294 the automated saboteur 870 rich3 2806 blue UT vanishing acts 295 rich1 106 the automated saboteur 870 rich3 879 sullustan conspiracy 560 rich2 393