If healing and damage were one par this game would be stupid. You would need equal amount of healers on your team as the other team has DPS. Is that what you want really? I guarantee you don't complain when you have a healer on your team keeping you alive. Play the game and shut up.

Also, OP, you didn't even spell Assassin correct you frickin' noob.

Another complete set of ********. People have 30k hp now. To kill them in the 4 seconds they are down from spike it virtually impossible. They go down, GCD 1.5 sec, 8k Maul if you are lucky, GCD again, then one voltaic slash and they are up before the animation is done. Don't *********** exaggerate.

This is ********.. don't feed them. For one deflection doesn't make you invincible. Secondly, end zone to mid is over 100m.

For all you haters that haven't been playing deception for over a year.. go **** yourselves. We deserve a moment to shine. We have no more utility then others. Ours is geared towards bursting someone down. If you take that away its goes back to the year that deception was useless and everyone rolled tankassin. No thank you. I have been faithful to the tree from day one and I am happy people notice it and actually have to run when you pop on 'em. If you are gunna nerf us then nerf everyone else at the same time. We are where we need to be. Start queuing with healers if you don't won't to get rolled. Do some ranked then come complain. 99% of these posts are from people who queue randoms and hate that they don't go 20-0. Randoms aren't balanced. We are not OP in ranked. We are finally useful.

Before people post about how to make credits one of the obvious ways that we already know, refer to the OP. This isn't saying there is no way to make credits at all. It is saying there is not sufficient credits from doing PvP. No matter what anyone comes on here are says about crafting, dailies, GTN or anything else, this still remains ture and IS an issue, whether you would like it to be or not. EDIT: Moving this to the OP

This is a good solution, for you. Appreciate you not trolling but once again this is not what the thread is about. I went to Makeb to level because PvP is far too slow, another issue which I won't pry on, and that is enough PvE to hold me over until the next expansion.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5215/screenshot2013041917480.jpg http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8499/screenshot2013041917513.jpg There is two images showing force shroud activated and clearly active before the attack. Sadly this was very easy to do..

This has happened to me many, many times as well. I will try and get some screen shots to help the issue. I thought it was just me. I was very excited to see this post!

So glad some people understand and can talk about this like a civilized human. We aren't asking for anything that would harm the PvE world. Quite frankly, we are fine staying out of your way forever! Just give us whats needs to make the game more enjoyable.

This is still missing the point, completely. We don't want to PvE. PvE players do not have to PvP. THIS IS THE POINT. There is not viable ways to make credits thru PvP activity. Also, noting the 5-10 down time. I work and when I log on it is peek time for ques and they are instant. Still not the point. Even if I had 30 minutes of downtime I would like to have something other then PvE quests to do. If there were PvP quests I would gladly spend all of my downtime in the world doing them. Let's not lie to ourselves saying PvE players with plenty of cash don't spend more time on Fleet then anyone. Dailies raids and crafting take far less time then Grinding PvP.

Define lazy, please. How can anyone playing a game be graded on their ambition to work. You are sitting in a chair pushing buttons. So if that is all we have to go by then when I am PvPing the entire time I am on I would have to say I am far less lazy then the people standing in Fleet all day. BUT once again another irrelevant post from a PvE fan boy who has no room to comment here. If less people like you played the game and understood all parts, they would know this is more then a valid issue.

Once again the basis of this thread is still the issue. There are not enough credits available for PvP'ers thru PvP activity Saying to go quest or get creds thru crew skills and the GTN are nice and all but that still doesn't move the balance. Those options are available to everyone and enjoyed only by the PvE community. I do believe this thread is in the PvP section of the Forum. We, as PvP'ers, want an alternative, an equal, a viable, PVP way to make credits. It's really not much to ask for and it honestly does not affect the PvE community in any way. EDIT: I guess it would effect them in one way. They will make more credits from their ridiculous GTN prices when we have enough creds to purchase more. Sooo why the QQ

I appreciate the positive feedback. I do have my companions going full time. This still is not the point at hand. PvE players also do this, on top of their other resource income. We do not have sufficient credit supply though PvP activity. They made mods available with comms and personally I love that. I was never able to afford them last patch. I wouldn't mind seeing Aug slots and Augs available this way as well. Maybe then the PvE'ers can come PvP for their items. Hmm.

Before any of your posts, put the shoe on the other foot. You aren't PvP'ers so go post about your issues that you actually know about. Once again, we need more credits thru PvP activity.