I hope all of you people who are discrediting others' input purely because they're on a PvE server realize how retarded you sound. You're declaring it literally impossible for anyone who plays on a PvE server to know anything about PvP? I play pure PvP on a PvE server, and I'd bet all of my real life assets that I could absolutely roll you guys in any aspect of PvP with any class. The server doesn't decide the skill or competency levels, folks. And I'll add this simple inquiry in support of this thread - If 60% armor pen was too much for scrapper/concealment operatives (Which I, as a scrapper scoundrel, agree was too much), why is 90% not too much for pyrotech/assault specialist powertechs? Before you naysayers try to shoot down this post by telling me only Rail Shot gets 90%, let's pay the slightest bit of attention and realize that every other attack they do is elemental damage, which everyone only has 10% reduction against WITH the consular/inquisitor buff.

Its funny, because as a scrapper scoundrel (or concealment operative, if you will) I absolutely destroy everyone listed above me on the so-called food chain in the first post. People like to argue that we contribute nothing to the team besides initial burst, but there's a pretty simple counter-arguement here. You say that other classes "bring more to the team", I say that me sending 2 people back to their spawns in a matter of seconds benefits our team more than other classes so-called utility.

Maybe it's just me, but I find scrapper to be more than viable in pvp these days. I regularly pull roughly the same numbers as Pyro Powertechs, and have no issues surviving. If I catch someone 1v1, it's over for them. I can win most 1v2's as well. Scrapper is all about out-thinking and outplaying your opponent.

People that think scrappers aren't playable in PvP anymore are just bad. You guys keep doing what you're doing, and I'll continue outplaying, ganking, and owning everyone on my scrapper.

Nice attempt at stretching 3 realistic points into 6 to try and make what you're actually saying half as dumb. But yes, that post is pointless.

Everything you just said about your performance would be moderately impressive IF you didn't tell us that it was a powertech...all credibility you would have had just went out the window since they're currently the frost mages of this game.

There's actually a good point in this post. The thread creator probably got hit with a shoot first AND backblast crit one after another. They look almost exactly the same and are executed in rapid succession so he probably mistook it for one move. I'm sorry but there's just no way you lose 40% health in one move unless you're naked or in PvE gear.

I don't see how you can say I'm not geared when I'm in full battlemaster gear. And shoot first is only supposed to crit in the 4k range right now. Seriously, ask anyone. You are the only one with this problem. The blame for the fact that you're losing 40% of your health in a single hit as a tank is not on someone else's class, it's on you. And before you call troll again, I can justify that statement through personal experience on my War Hero guardian who never gets hit for more than 3k by shoot first. Or is he undergeared too?

Calling BS on this thread. I play a fully battlemaster-geared scrapper and my Shoot First crits for somewhere in the low 4k's at highest, on non-tanks. The only way you could possibly shave 40% off a tank assassin is if you stacked nothing but power, used a power relic and adrenal, and the assassin was short on expertise. If the former, the scrapper is a terrible player and got lucky on you. If the latter, you're a terrible player and should probably gear up. It's one of the two.