there is a list of players at the end just give everyone credit for F sakes 2 lines of code it's not that hard.

this is getting worse not better.

you show up a chart at the end of wz , it has who is in it how much dmg healing e done. How hard can it be to just give everyone on that list credit for winning? 3 patches now saying you fixed it, and it still happens .

random daoc vid. You'll see a gp of 8 beat 3x their number. The first 1/2 of the vid the guy who took it is in cat form so you don't see his cast animations but you get the deal. Enjoy.

read some books about real wars , it may come as a shock to you, smaller armies beat larger ones ALL THE TIME.

lol all you wow kid just don't get what real pvp is. open world doesn't mean mindless zerg vs zerg. if you put defending pts in the world the smaller side will go to the defense pts and hold off vs larger zerg and win a lot of the time. If you don't want to zerg a small gp can do very well picking off zerg piece meal. learn to extend and hit and run. go to u tube and watch some DAoC vids and you'll see. The thing I love most about open world pvp is the fact you can try and take on more people than your gp and if you do it right you can win or take out 2 to 3 times your number before you die.

A lot of dps class will get at least 1 heal metal from just using heal packs. Some hybrid speced class like sorc can do 100k heals and still deal out 300k of dps in champ gear.

Hmm in WoW arena has brackets, bgs you do just fine with raid gear. in warhammer you can enter t4 at rr70 is you wanted to and wear full cheao sov which is more than enough for you to compete.

let me rewrite this foryou. "50 pvp is fun when you have gear and group with other ppl who also have gear rolling pugs with no gear. please don't quit because I love my easy mode too much"

I call bs, no way you can get 400k damage as new 50 with 200 exp. Even if you are qued with all premade carried by rr70 guys .

lol I played AC, DAoC, WoW , WAR and bunch of other mmos . Game like DAoC I played 6 years. This is sadly one of the best level up experience I had in mmo and the 2'nd worst pvp right behind Aion.

level 50 pvp i basically grinding 3 wzs over and over so you can get gear so that you can GRIND THE SAME 3 WZ over and over . When I realized what I was doing It was kinda funny in a really sad way. Sub runs out in 1 week I'm not likely to play this again. Too bad I can't give out my champ set to some new 50 before I leave.

Well I guess we have to disagree then. I played rr12 BD rr9 mentalist, rr8 mauler and rr8 hunter. Lover all my 50s and had a blast on all of them. Never really had days I didn't look forward to pvp. As for pop in balance that's the best part of DAoC a small 8 man can do quite well surfing the edge of a giant zerg and just lure small numbers out and kill them. Not trying to say that your perception of DAoC is wromg. I had a blast I would not have quit if WAR didn't come out. I might still go back to it after swtor.

you must have played before classic. 50 hero was a beast in classic near unkillable 1 v1 and must have in 8 man . if you didn't have fun with that I don't know what you can ask for.

if you ever play DAoC classic servers you would have seen what real pvp is. That game was balanced and gear matters less than skill. There were several 1 v1 torments and a lot of players did very well with newly made toons vs ppl who are 5-6 rr above. But I do agree with your statement that pvp in mmo is doomed. Not because classes can't be balanced or factions can't be balanced or gear can't be balanced or even performance issues. The problem with pvp in mmo is that people only have fun when they win. Since you are fighting other players in order for you to win someone else has to lose. So at best you can satisfy 1/2 of your player base. In reality it's more like 10% of the player farming the rest 90%. So you end up with a pissed off player base no matter what. People lose and lose again at some pt they say f this and quit. I don't see how any one can get around that.