Akkalevil
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dps LFG HM FE
Is not socializing.
Caricaturing and oversimplification is not proof either.
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WoW has already essentially become that. =/
I know, it's a big part of why I left it, the probable reason why I'll left SWTOR, and why I know that convenience is much more often a bad thing than it looks.
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To all those threatening to leave as soon as this is implemented:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. We didn't want/need you anyway.
It's pretty much a given that people clamoring for a LFD tool to do the socializing for them, weren't wanting nor needing other people to begin with.
Hail to the new MMO population, who wants a single-player MMO.
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Well, casual ruined WoW by whining for convenience everywhere, they're going to ruin SWTOR too !
Not surprised here, but I'll just reiterate : if your competitor is WoW, it feels smarter to propose alternative where it's lacking, rather than just copy-paste it and offer the same experience.
People won't leave the leader to follow a clone.
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Only on training dummies - never on the field. It should be used as a tool to improve -your- performance not raise it up as a beating post for others. aka, you're underperforming, we need to kick you, it's your fault - look at me and look at you, type of thing. That is bad, and not needed.
I do however think, that every player should have access to a training zone, where they can practice rotations on their character and figure out which rotations are the most impactful and why (gear choices, talents etc).
Theory on dummies is a long way from real practice on boss. In fact, it's exactly the worse that could happen with a Recount : people bragging about a completely theorical number completely unrelated to real good play in real situation. That's much WORSE than an actual good Recount on the field.
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If one thing kills this game, it will be the total lack of feedback from Bioware...
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The main problem with this can be seen by logging into WoW. The whole "improvement" ideal snowballed into something ugly and when you go to the LFG tool for random instances and raids there is always some dood in charge who boots folks because they don't have all the bells and whistles; or are a meer 10-15% less dps then the other people of said class. Great idea, but in the hands of the masses it just forces you to conform.
Your point has some merit, but again, let me quote myself about it :
But my opinion is that the attitude problems tied to Recount didn't appear in WoW until the difficulty level was so much lowered that people could focus their entire attention on doing a big score and still manage to faceroll content - if you just tried to top the meter without actually playing well before WotLK, you died like a tool and you actually ended in the bottom, or at least the ones who had to compensate for your errors knew you were just playing the numbers and not actually doing what you should.
Are you unable to see the damage numbers that float up around your enemy everytime you do damage?Spurious argument is spurious.
You're the perfect example of how people saying they don't need Recount to know their performance, are usually the bad players not understanding how things work.
I can't imagine anyone complaining about a 10% differential.Well, actually, 10 % is pretty HUGE if you're going to be competitive. People often underestimate the impact of numbers.
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Know thyself.
Guess one-liners are the end of your wits. Considering you're not even able to read and argument properly, it's not really surprising.
Still, this is just useless and cluttering the thread, so I'll let it drop.
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Quite the irony.
Too bad it's lost on you :-/
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Really sticking to that "I'm not ignoring you you're ignoring ME" tactic aren't you? Claiming all the posts opposing you are ignoring you or spouting gibberish is over simplifying it just a tad though.
Just like your wannabe-witty retorts are oversimplifying the usefulness of Recount, and you still ignore the points made just to be able to mock people who support Recount. It's not like people purposedly ignoring points that they don't like is anything new or rare, so yeah I claim it's the case and it's not because three guys do it that it means it's wrong.
There is one MASSIVE hole in the standard "I just want to improve myself" recount argument... ...none of you guys want one that only tracks your own stats.You're throwing a sheet over the elitist banthas*** and hoping we don't notice.
There is no hole in the logic that to improve yourself, you need to be able to measure your performance.
There is, however, a very obvious willfull bias from your part about painting pro-Recount in bad light, which "coincidentally" happens to go with your oversimplification of the arguments made.
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Agreed, however production overall is and that was the angle I was arguing from.
The entire reason why everything is voiced is supposed to be immersion.
As such, it's both egregious and irritating when it works counter-productively like in the case that is discussed in this thread.
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Interesting that you just insulted a bunch of people. If it weren't so insulting, I might have thought you were being a hypocrite. But no, you are a nice guy, right? You always think about your fellow players and appreciate that they are enjoying themselves by not playing the same way you do.
Some people must prefer unhappiness and disappointment, I suppose, so long as they don't have to adapt to a new environment. Otherwise they would pay attention to what those who do enjoy the game are doing that is different.
This sort of complainer is what you get for giving your kids everything they want whenever they fuss and cry. Kids do better in the long run if they are rewarded for good behavior rather than rewarded for bad.
Isn't it deliciously funny and ironic ?
You accuse me of exactly what these people I described did - crying and fussing for not having everything they want, ruining the game for everyone because they want it all and don't care about how other may enjoy different things, not wanting to adapt themselves to a different style of playing if they want to taste another part of the game (no, the game must cater to THEIR play) and the like.
Basically, you just confirmed that this kind of behaviour is bad, but you completely missed who was actually acting like it. Kinda like blowing up the head of someone you tried to defend, because you didn't realizes he was the one carrying the bomb and you set if off
And you don't even seems to be aware of it.
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It's called reducing redundancy. You can make 100 lines saying exactly the same thing or just one line and save up space. It's not very efficient to have 100 variations for "I will do it." especially considering its production value. I find there's still enough variations which make me even chuckle from time to time.
Immersion is not about efficiency.
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The most annoying thing about these re-use of the same clip, is that so often I try to give some kind of answer that looks good on the conversation wheel, just to have a clip that only vaguely sounds like it shoe-horned as the answer.
The paraphrasing is already infuriating, but when it seems it's done just to save a few lines because they wanted to add voice-over, it just adds insult to injury.
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Voice acting in my opinion didn't hurt the game besides cost which might have made them rush the code a bit.
This thread points one of the annoying problems with this decision, and there is LOTS of logistical nightmares to overcome that can't help but affect the game when everything must be voiced, even if they are not always noticeable from the outside.
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Can't help but notice you didn't respond to my 3rd point.
No, because I already said several times that it's the only viable point from the anti-Recount side.
Doesn't make the rest of your post more valuable, you know ?
His/her point and my second one (with the internet comment) was if you notice you're not doing too hot you go compare what you're doing to other people. Comparing yourself to successful players rather then an idealized version of your class as played by a sim program, how revolutionary.Still completely pointless that miss the entire argument.
Your smarta** picture just prove it even further.
At this level of cluelessness and ignoring the points made, I suppose you're actively trying to not understand, so I guess it's useless to try to explain it to you.
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Funny, I played WoW for five years and I witnessed the exact opposite. Casual are the ones who get to know other players in the game and have things to do outside of rushing to beat other guilds in raid content and leveling.
Couldn't disagree with your post more.
This is a joke right ?
WoW is the PARAMOUNT example of casuals whining for being able to do everything in the game with very little playtime, and the dev obeying and reducing the content to a tiny single raid tier with everything else below being an outdated joke you can tear through in a week with both hand tied in your back, making everyone standing around in city at level 85.
Oh, sorry, I didn't notice the usual crappy self-serving "casuals are the nice guys who have fun with others, hardcore are the jerks who are insulting everyone". Yeah, right, totally not biased and believable ^^
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Leveling not hard enough for you to make you feel like you've achieved something? Do it without a companion. Just send them away or recall them.
I'm extremely irritated by these kind of arguments.
The fun of facing challenges is to find ways to overcome them, having to dig deep into your bag of tricks to find a way to win.
There is little fun in tieing your hands behind your back yourself first. It goes right against the very core principle of "doing whatever you can to overcome the challenge".
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-Is the enemy dead?
-Are you still alive?
If you answered yes to either, congratulations you're fine.
That was tough.
That was completely ridiculous, more than anything. Thanks for proving you either don't get the point, or purposedly ignore it.
Hi, welcome to the internet. It's your first day here right?And this additionnal completely pointless answer tends to reinforce the conclusion above.
While you do your rotation the tank dies or the healer goes oom, hmm I am not sure that this does make the experience better for you and your groupYeah, because obviously trying to keep a good rotation prevents you to do anything else...
And someone who doesn't know if he's efficient suddendly become (somehow) much more aware and magically better at reacting with what happens in the fight !
These answers are more and more ridiculous, and I'm staying polite...
Recount is really unfair because it does not measure each individuals contribution accurately. It's not all about DPS people. Its about surviving the fight, getting out of the bad stuff and using your abilities. A dps meter can not show that.Actually, Recount shows a lot more than just a DPS number. You can see which abilities were used and what happened the few seconds before a death, which amount of damage someone dealt or received and from which sources, etc.
Recount is just a superb tool very often misused (and this misuse is the main and best argument of the anti-recount people, as it's something very real and very frequent). It's, as usual, all in HOW you use it. You use it to log the details and crunch the numbers. You DON'T use it to see how people behave, where they go and if they're switf to act. Recount is the main tool to ANALYZE the NUMBERS of a fight, but you are supposed to keep your eyes open to see what actions happened.
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No. The article blames the players. Players like that kill the community of a game.
The fact that there is already a "swtorprogress" Website makes my heart sink.
You realize that you blame the wrong people ?
The people who bother with ranking and the like are usually the hardcore.
The people who want to have everything in a very short time are the casuals.
WoW has been stripped of its meat (and every other MMO sheepishly followed suit), and made a permanent short rush, because casuals cried they could not see everything while playing two hours a week.
Hardcore players are fine with things that take a long time. They may be the ones going through content the fastest, but they are not the ones who requires it to be shrinked so that they can have it all in a matter of two days.
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You're showing a lot of bitterness and close-mindedness to a simple, reasonable train of thought. How regrettable.
If you consider a strawman to be a reasonable answer, it says more about you than it says about me.
The point of an MMO? Who are you or anyone else to tell me how I should play MY game?!Hello.
MMO. Look up what it stands for, spare me the cliché of pretending to feel oppressed by evil authoritarians who want to control how you play.
You wouldn't complain that you're required to aim in a FPS. You wouldn't complain that you're required to read dialogues in a RPG. You wouldn't complain that you're required to think in a strategy game. Don't complain you're required to socialize in a MMO.
I facepalm when people defend a non-LFD with it not promoting social play.I facepalm when I see the opposite.
Guess that makes us even.
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Except he wasn't insulting people.... your just being a dbag.
I'm just being less hypocrite.
Honeyed words don't mean crap when the intent is clearly about dismissing other's opinions by strawmanning.
His post was accurate.... many LFD protesters are in the camp of well be social make friends join a guild. Not everyone has friends that play the gameMake them ? That's PRECISELY THE POINT MADE DURING THIS WHOLE THREAD, that making/joining groups where you socialize is the ACTUAL BEST WAY to MAKE FRIENDS in the game ?
Seriously...
not everyone can join a super active guild that will go with you to an FP at the drop of a hat because you want to do it not everyone has the same server population to where they can go to fleet and type /1 LFM Hammer station need all and have a full group in 10 minutes.Then join/make a group yourself ? Again, that's the point ?
Your trolling and being rude tbh, because I for one am not lazy.I have to spend hours setting up groups and not progressing my character because the only way to get a group is to sit in fleet for said hours and spam the same message over and over again in between people trolling on the server.
One thing that would improve a lot the grouping would be to make a "world channel", like the LFD channel that existed in WoW. So that you can still make/look for group but WHILE playing.
Stop being a dic k dude.I'll always treat people the same way they treat me. The post I answered to was just a big nicely-worded strawman twisting the arguments to make pro-LFD appear like clueless idiots. That's intellectual hypocrisy at its worst, and I just answered back on the same level.
If you're shallow or biased enough not to see it, your loss.
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What about meeting new people due to a LFG system? If anything it makes the game more social imo because it connects you to more people.
No, it doesn't.
Walking in the street allow you to see much more people than going to a party, you still actually socialize more in the latter case than in the former.
"Working" to build/look for a group involve actually going toward others. Pushing a button and waiting for things to happens automatically doesn't. Being automatically grouped with ten bots brings actually LESS social content than talking with two.
(and yes, you CAN see talkative people in an automatically-made group, and "bots" that just invite you without a word and never speak in manual grouping ; you can always find particular examples of everything, everywhere. My point is about trend and average, not minute examples)
WoW's community wasn't ruined by a LFG system. Wow's community was ruined because blizzard dumbed the game down so much that it became popular with children.Yes, and the LFD tool was part of this dumbing down, and could only happen because of it, and increased it.
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So in essence, Anti-LFD people seem to be among several camps:
a) They're on one of the few vibrant servers left in the game, and can find groups easier than your average player. They don't see a need.
b) They have a great guild of several dozen competent people in the general level range of their toons, who are available at mutually convenient times. They're secure, they don't see a need.
c) They've experienced several bad groups in World of Warcraft's cross-server LFD tool, and don't understand that a tool doesn't need to be cross-server to be implemented.
d) They like being contrary.
Is this a fair assessment?
About as fair as this :
So in essence, pro-LFD people seem to be among several camps:
a) They are people who simply don't like MMO, despite the fact they play one. They just want to be able to play solo the most possible, keeping interaction with anyone to a bare minimum. As such, a tool allowing them to push a button and never interact is great.
b) They are lazy and just want to be handed out everything on a platter without to do anything. As such, automated system requiring no thought nor involvement is great.
c) They can't manage to find other players because they are rude, asocial or generally a PIA. The automated system do it for them.
d) They are trolls, ninja an jerks and just wish to be able to randomly find victims.
Here, a fair assessment in answer to yours !
To put it gently, I agree with these guys..
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I had my doubt at first, but after reading it, I agree that his opinions and feelings on the game are really uncannily the same as mines.