This is indeed a big issue and I hope this changes soon, too. A timed trading system for bop items is a minimum requirement and need should only be available for the class that can use it, as long as that class is in the group.

If Bioware will not take any measures to correct this issue and other similar ones, the SWTOR community will remain with deranged players like you who think it's fun to ninja from other players "to teach them a lesson"...

As you already pointed out, "fun" is subjective, that's why "fun", "difficult" or "challenging" can only be determined by each individual and not by "majorities" or "minorities". "Votes" on the other hand are objective, can be counted and their purpose is to determine "majorities" and "minorities". And this falls in the field of poilitcs, and we are not discussing politics, but we are talking about a game and having fun.

It couldn't have been said better than this!!!

Totally agree!

This ! "want is the key word here"

Very nice said, not to mention that different lvls of difficulty means more options and more flexibility. I really can't understand how someone can complain about having more options; if you find something too easy/hard, you have the option to choose a harder/easier version. No one is forcing you to run all lvls of difficulty, you can choose the one that's best for you.

First of all I never said that we didn't finish the normal flashpoints, or the HM flashpoints, but that enrage timers narrow down the players options and force us to have only a certain group structure that we didn't enjoy, leaving behind a friend I would have liked to play with, but couldn't because he didn't have the right class/spec. Simply the idea of negatively motivating players through punishment if they don't get enough DPS in a certain amount of time seems rather abusive and I would have found it a much better way to have positive motivation, through extra rewards/achievements or titles if you could make it in time.

When you are telling people that they are stupid and, to quote you, "get the "****** OFF", no one asked you to play" you should expect that your post will be flagged for insult. I would also like to remind people like HellFlame, who are afraid that removing the timers will make dps classes/specs useless and unwanted, that the message of this thread was not to completely remove the timers from the game but to introduce a new layer of "difficulty" where timers are required, to give people the option to choose if they want to play with timers or without them. Also, the timers should be a way of motivating players positively by bringing extra rewards, achievements or titles, not a way of brutally punishing them for not getting the "right" time, wiping the whole group in seconds and get it stuck at that point with no options or solutions for that group to go on.

Thank you again HellFlame for your advice, your language and posts show us how mature you are.

Totally agree

Thank you for enlightening us, now, because of you we do realize that what we are asking is completly stupid. If you don't have anything constructive to add to this thread keep your valuable opinions to yourself.

If the devs wanted "not to allow people to "brute force" their way through content" they could simply use minimum gear requirement to enter in HM flaspoints, not enrage timers that wipe the whole group in seconds.

If you can't make it in time is not because you are bad , you don't have the skill or the gear , but because your group doesn't meet the required dps in "x" amount of time, forcing you to have only a certain group composition. Ppl like you who think that they are "skilled", "geared" and "good" are making the mmo communities worse.

But I want to play this game, just not with 'enrage timers". I want this to be an OPTION that I can disable or enable if I choose so. If you don't like options in this game then "BUZZ OFF and find the game you want to play".

Why to lose subs, why to lose money when you can take out the timers and add an extra "difficulty" mode with speed timers?

We can't be thankful for an endgame content with lots of problems and the enrage timers are one of the biggest problem for some of us. You can't simply dismiss us just because you don't have this problem, not when there are simple solutions to fix this for everyone. Not to mention that feedback from players is the most important tool for improving the game.

This kind of debate can go on and on forever with both sides giving arguments of why they like or they don't like the enrage timers. The problem can be solved easily with little time required, as already has been suggested, by removing the enrage timers from the actual HM flashpoints to make them accesible for all casual players and all kinds of group combinations and by introducing "speed" HM flashpoints with timers , maybe more abilities for mobs and bosses to make them harder and some extra loot to make the hardcore players happier. This way everyone will be happy. What I found intriguing is the fact that the set items that we can buy with crystals and commendations from HM flaspoints are only slightly better than the ones that we can have from orange items combined with lvl 49/50 epic item modifications, which makes the HM flaspoints runs usless for the most part of the game unless you are hoping for a random drop that will suit you at the last boss of every HM. This would be all I have to say, the solution is simple but then again, many things are simple and yet we do not have them in the game: combat log, threat display, target of the taget display and so on. Maybe the dev team will address the problem but I'm somewhat skeptical after seing how they "solved" the fact that too many players felt that the Biochem was mandatory at lvl50... they don't want Biochem to be mandatory, so they fix it by making all of the good stuff require 400 Biochem to use. That being said, have fun ingame and may the force be with you!

Thank you for showing us where is the door. But I'm asking you this ,what will happend with the game if more than 50% of the people who bought the game will find this "difficulty" mechanics unacceptable ? Probably you'll be happy with your "elitist" community that will help make the game "better".

Absolutely agree. The enrage timers are not doing the combat better or more entertaining it only forces you to have a specific dps and if you don't have it all your group will be wiped in 5 sec which is not fun nor imaginative, only frustrating and absurd. Everything goes well for the whole duration of the fight ,we have the boss at 7% and suddenly we are being killed in one shut. End of the game, disappointment and all this for what reason, what was the point? To make the game more entertaining? Sorry but for us was anything but entertaining.

What is "perfectly acceptable" for you is not for everyone. If you liked being killed in 2sec by an enraged boss be my guest but don't tell me that is "perfectly acceptable". And keep your insults and wise advices like "fix yourself / your team" for you and your friends.

I loved the storyline of the game, the lvl-ing experience, the fact that we have companions that can help us in heroics and flashpoints, but once we entered in hard mode flashpoints (after 2 weeks of grinding daylies for better gear, which wasn't very fun) everything became insane and exaggerated because of "enrage timers" ,a woeful way of transforming a nice game in a frustrating and impossible experience. If you want to keep the same high quality of the game take out the timers from HM flashpoints ,this way all of us will be able to do our "epic" crafts and maybe an armor set (still the costs for sets are insane).If you want to keep the hardcore players happy you can introduce an "insane" mode with timers and something extra to keep them satisfied. Also would be nice to have normal and HM versions of all flashpoints for 2 and 3 players . A combat log , target of target and threat display also would be most helpful. The saddest thing about "enrage timers" is the fact that the enraged boss simply kills the players in one shot making them feel helpless and useless, taking away any desire of playing or coming back to the game. After more than 300 hours spent in game to lvl-up and gear the character this is not the feeling that you expect to get from the end game content, especially after Bioware has invested so much time and money in storylines that make us feel so heroic and unique.