I'm thinking about to use breach at 2 or 3 stacks...but at the ned it's a linear increase damage..so maybe it's the same to use breach at 2x or 3x (about damage that it does) : force breach damage X each stacks-> 2 stacks = 2X / 3 stacks = 3x if we use it with 2stacks we will do: 2X 2X 2X 2X 2X 2X (total= 12X dmg with 6breach = 6*1.5s GCD=9s GCD used) if with 3stacks: 3X 3X 3X 3X (total= 12X dmg with 4breach = 4*1.5GCD=6s GCD used) the total damage it does is the same but with less second wasted on GCD, so using breach at 3stacks it's better.. BUT..more hits we have more chance to have a crit..more linear dps..and sometimes I had 2stacks with other skills on CD..so I think we use breach with2+ stacks. ( If someone wants to discuss about new changes: http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forums/forum-9.html )

Hello guys! I'm old Infiltration(Deception) Shadow(Assassin) PvE player since release, and I will write only about PvE nad only about Full Deception spec. With these changes, I'm quite satisfied cause finally, we have a decent force sustainer, it's frustrating to use Saber Strike when you have BIGBOMB Hit to use ; Yes they (a bit or not, idk cause with actually stats I can't test it) nerfed damages of shock, but we can have ALL things DPS depends on damage AND TIME, and a new sustained system is a generic "buff of dps", if we have sustain we can't have big numbers (or having bug numbers with no sustain), so imho the changes are good (I hope , atm it's all theory) +1 at all, same things I think +1 I agree, the actually stats on PTS can't work as well..390crit rating for a 6% of crit chance..it's joke! Finally 3 players that don't cry about nerfed damages of shock/etc..I see a lot players that whine about 2.0 but like me you have understood the basic changes of deception. Generally, if you get nerfed, crying doesn't help: the only way is to start to study new skill/changes and rotations to do the best with your skills. ps: I disagree about using Discharge with whatever stacks, Imho it's too much lost dps..At least at least 2/3stacks but this must be tested. I have pretty same numbers, full arkanian without augs/relics: Bonus Dmg: 647.2 (2254 willpower, 755 power) Accuracy: 97.15% (216 accuracy rating) Crit chance: 23.74% (395 crit rating) Multipl: 70,06% (360 surge rating) -Project/Shock: 2017 - 2126 (if proc Upheaval/Chain Shock: 3025,5 - 3189) -Shadow Strike/Maul: 4873,5 - 4834,7 -Spinning Strike/Assassinate: 4000 - 4578 -Force Breach/Discharge (with 3stacks): 1869 - 2034(623-678 per stack) -Clairvoyant Strike/Voltaic Slash: 1099 - 1258 Looking only numbers we have: Shock>Discharge Shock and Discharge (with 3/3 stacks) have pretty same dmg but IMHO it's better have Shock>Discharge cause Shock procs stack for Discharge. About build (I don't try te other one) I have only played 5/36/5 and I think Torment must be taked cause Induction lowers ONLY 25% (from 50%) with 2stacks and we need from actually live more sustain. Btw we must see the force regen with correct curve of alacrity..maybe with more effect we can ignore Torment. no? Huge numbers with lags on pts, GJ! Sorry for my english I know it's so bad. NB: For all Deception Players that want to discuss about 2.0 I will be happy if you come to write here too: http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forums/forum-9.html

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