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I do, but it's standard, so I've gotten over it long ago.
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This is good news.. Lfd is a terrible tool
The main gripe I have with statements like this is that you're not opening your mind to how a LFD tool does not have to be even remotely similar to one used in any other game. It just makes me sad to see a concept tossed away because of it's implementation and implications in other games.
I know if someone's actually reading all of my posts in this thread I sound like a broken record, but a LFD tool doesn't have to be bad just because it CAN be bad.
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So basically
The game is unfinished? Couldn't agree moreso
No game is ever finished in the manner that you're speaking. Go ask any game developer, and they will always be weeping about something that didn't get in or didn't get done.
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If it's created exactly or similar to WoWs dungeon finder than I would hold to my opinion and ask not to put it in. If Bioware could change the mold of how WoW did the LFG system then I would give it a go.
I honestly think if we took a poll of all people who want the LFD system and said.
Do you want the exact system as WoW has implemented for LFD...the majority would be staggeringly against it.
Most of us in this thread are saying we DO NOT want cross-realm, but that's just a start. I personally don't want vote to kick. I think there are benefits to it if someone is being a jerk for no other reason than to troll the group, but I think the negatives far outweigh the positives. There are also other changes I want, but the point is:
I honestly believe most people who want a LFD system DO NOT want a copy of the one in WoW. But, just because I had a ham sandwich I didn't like, doesn't mean I'm going to swear off all sandwiches forever regardless of their contents. I have faith in you, turkey!
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automated tool win ensure that you don't have to. becasue it will find groups for you again. unless they make unlimited ignore list or something so that automated tool will not be grouping you anymore. at which point people will come back here to complain how the tool is not working.
You could have no vote to kick enabled.
You could have a tool that finds a group for you initially, but won't let you add any more members. People would still have to find a member by spamming general if someone left midway through, but it would get the ball rolling for the initial group coagulation.
You could have a tool that would let you find a limited number of new members per run. Maybe of 2 people leave you can replace them, but after that you're on your own.
Look, I'm not even saying these are good idea they can implement. But open your mind to the idea that there are way more options available besides those ones you hate that have already been done.
The idea of some tool that allows people to gather towards the completion of a common goal is not a bad one. It can be implemented poorly, but that doesn't mean it has to be.
Personally all I want is the ability to look for a group globally. However that's implemented, it's really my only goal. The ability to look for a group, or throw myself into a queue, or throw my name up in a channel, or throw a LFG tag on my name that can be seen sever wide...not just within the planet/fleet that I'm currently situated. That's all.
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I already play that way, unless I get lucky and see a group forming at an opportune time. my friends are scattered over 4 different servers for variety of reasons. it just doesn't bother me like it seems to bother you. and yes, I think its selfish to think of short term benefits, disregarding evidence of long term drawbacks, becasue its inconvenient for you to do so.
Evidence of long term drawbacks? But you don't even know what kind of LFD tool I'd propose. You don't know if I want inter-realm, cross-realm, vote to kick enabled or not, teleports you to the instance or not, just a global channel, just a search feature (where you can search for anyone anywhere LFG for a specific FP or FPs without actually automatically forming the group.
Without knowing what kind of LFD tool I want, how can you say that mine would have long term drawbacks? How can you generalize LFD tools when not every option has even been explored in an MMO?
I think...you just hate WoW's LFD tool, which is fair...so do I, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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so group when you play during normal hours?
I swear, this "I want things my way and I want them now" attitude is... not surprising actually, but still sad.
Ah ha, but this is exactly what I'm talking about. With a LFD tool, which you could completely choose to ignore any would affect your gameplay at all, I could search for a group whenever I play. Since, you know, I pay to play the game just like you do.
Can I relegate your grouping options to 2 days a week during a 5 hour period as well? Would you not feel somehow slighted if I did so? I'm sure on the forums you'll say no, but in reality you know you would.
You're saying that because of my schedule, even though my hours played are just as large as anyone else, I have a restricted gameplay experience..and it's selfish to desire a change that would alleviate that? Well I think you're wrong.
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Whereas otherwise 90% of the folks would just be afk in the cities sitting in queue and we'd never get to know them.
You know...this is the part that's really amusing to me.
With a LFD tool:
People could be out questing/doing dailies/searching for holocrons/etc in the environment...on the various planets...while in LFD queue.
Without a LFD tool:
Everyone who wants to group up for a FP is sitting around in Fleet sending messages to General until they form a group.
The exact scenario you fear the LFD will cause, is the exact scenario that's currently occurring without it.
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Then don't do it?
Just so we're clear then. You think it's better for the social environment to tell people to completely skip all Flashpoints and Group Content than it is to have them do it through a LFD tool? Seems to me doing Flashpoints with other people regardless of how you came to be grouped with them is still more social interaction than not ever doing group content at all.
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You want a knife to cut that irony?
Perhaps you're confused about that word...and that expression?
I don't know if it was you specifically, as I wasn't addressing you specifically, but I've seen posts on here saying, and yes I'm paraphrasing,
"We don't need this tool, because I can get a group any time I want in just 1-2 general chat messages"
Well okay. But there have been numerous examples here (hours of play only one of them) why that doesn't work for others. I was listing my example, yes, but it wasn't the only one listed.
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The system's not inelastic, you're using it wrong. The server time zone is for a reason- if you play in a different time than most people in your time zone, you should seek out a server that reflects when you DO play.
Right. Good advice. I guess I'll just go leave all of my real life friends playing the game so I can play on a Euro server from the United States. My three days off a week when I play during normal West coast prime time hours sure will be fun since everyone on my Light Euro server will be asleep. I'm sure glad they aren't implementing a LFD tool so I can enjoy all of these benefits.
Look my *specific* situation wasn't really the point I was trying to make. The point is a lot of people in this thread have very legitimate reasons why it's difficult or unreasonable for them to form groups by spamming general on the fleet. I'm glad it works for some of you, but you need to realize that just because it works for you...doesn't mean it should or does work for EVERYONE else. So try to pull yourself out of the equation when you're commenting on something that doesn't only affect yourself.
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I honestly would not desire a 3rd party UI addon if they just allowed the slightest bit of customization within their own UI. Let me move and resize any window, and let me drag and rotate action bars.
The GTN sucks right now and everyone knows it. For this reason I'd desire a mod for that, but really Bioware could simply stop making it such a pain to use, and I wouldn't need it. My two main gripes with the GTN:
1. Why must I select two categories and hit search before I'm allowed to enter any text into the search bar?
2. Why can I not search by price per unit. Search by price is a good way to have 1000 single over priced units up for sale to bury all the good deals of stacks of units.
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when I play at 4 in a morning server time, I have trouble finding groups as well. which is why I don't look for them at 4 in a morning. weekends and prime time though? no problem
Oh I see. So I should play on a European or Oceanic server because I happen to live in the United States, but work night shift. Everyone on here seems to think that if the current solution works for them, it should work for everyone else or everyone else is doing something wrong. It's certainly not the system being inelastic, it's everyone else...doing it all wrong.
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Here is my explanation... go read the other threads already out there.
Go read the general forums for any MMO that exists, will exist, or ever has existed. None of them will be pretty.
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Pre re-lease started on the 13th, 10 days ago.
The 10 or so pre orders from my guild have started playing significantly less. 36 now and am seeing less and less people as I move on to new planets. Would think the areas would be a little more populated with people from my wave and the waves before me.
Hopefully just Christmas and Family.
I got in on the 17th. It's the only game I'm playing currently, but with work/family I'm only level 21 right now. Realize that the average person really doesn't have 7-10 hours to play every day. I'm lucky if I can get in 3-4, but most days less. I don't think it's absurd to assume most people are probably in their mid to late 20's. Give 'em time.
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23" 1920x1080 ( no need to use AA with a HD)
I watched a video clip that was done on a lower resolution monitor and i finally see why people are screaming for AA.
Same as this chap.
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Dungeon finder hurts communities.
One thing I like about the OPs post is how it showcases how many people either didn't read it, or can't discern clear sarcasm. Onto the quote, though...
How does dungeon finder (assuming it's not cross-realm) hurt communities? People say this all the time, but never back their comment up. If you're joining with a group that you found by spamming general chat...how is that ANY different than joining with a group that you were placed with through a dungeon finder tool providing, again, these are all people currently playing on your same server?
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Edit: Wow, I am amazed at how absolutely horrible this community is.
Actually, I'm not, I knew most fans of this game would be idiot trolls.
It has nothing to do with the universe and everything to do with the breed of MMO gamer that's been spawned in the past 7 or so years.
And to the person who said they think the OP is mad because they have nothing to do, try actually reading a post for once. They are actually commenting positively on how much they have to do. Jesus.
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I like how someone's asking about Reverse Engineering being missing on your chat. That question is constantly being asked. Constantly.
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Dungeon finder. I noticed that there are players who are actually going out into the world to quest, socialize, explore, and group with other players; I find this extremely tedious and annoying. I think I speak for the majority when I say that we'd rather sit in a capital city all day trolling general while pressing the dungeon finder/PVP Warzone button over and over again while we wait for some 35 something-year-old basement dweller form a 40-man raid. That's what MMORPGs are all about. Just look at the very successful MMORPG Call of Duty.
The problem with not having a dungeon finder is that people are forced to do precisely this if they want to run a Flashpoint. Virtually the only way to get a group for a FP now is to sit around in the fleet spamming general chat.
If there were a dungeon finder tool, people could spend their time out on the planets questing, and queue up when they felt like taking a break to do a FP instead of waiting around on the fleet for someone else to come along who wants to run the same thing. As someone who works night shift, and comes home to play at 3:30 - 4:00 am, it's even more important for me. I might actually ever find a FP group at that hour with a dungeon finder tool, but I will NEVER find one spamming general on the fleet at that hour.
By the way, I completely DO NOT buy the argument that this would add anonymity to anyone providing they don't make it cross-realm. If they keep it inter-realm only, you would have just as much anonymity if you joined through dungeon finder as you would if you joined a random group by spamming general chat.
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After seeing the mass of complaints and comments on the lack of a LFG tool in SWTOR I feel the need to vent a little on the fact the the LFG Tool and the subsequent community detachment they cause is indicative of EVERYTHING wrong with current or the more recent MMO players.
The LFG Tool upon its inception in WoW seemed like a wonderful idea, and in theory allowing players to quickly and easily jump into a dungeon sounds like a lovely little addition to a game and a great way to streamline game-play. But that view is wrong.
What the LFG Tool essentially did to WoW was entirely remove the need for anyone to actually speak to anyone else, form communities and generally interact on a more personal level. The LFG Tool allows players to be complacent, rude, reckless and impatient all in the name of "Streamlining". This coupled with the complete lack of any need for player input to form a team results in dungeons and other players being completely devalued as objects, items that can be attained at the click of a button with no possible backlash for poor performance.
We do not need an LFG tool in SWTOR. You wont suffer terribly from asking your fellow players kindly to form a team with you and relying on performance and politeness to make friends and form communities, as opposed to clicking a button and waiting to be matched with four other faceless, nameless, silent individuals who's only words to you are "Gogo, Pull, Noob" and who you attatch no value to, due to them being easily replaced.
As it is now, people don't want to kick eachother and be nasty, because that would mean having to find a new team, there is VALUE in having a player there, they aren't just disposable. Keep it the way it is, keep LFG tags in /who lists, wonderful way to make players atleast TALK to eachother.
That is all.
TL;DR - LFG Tool breeds bad gamers and that kind of system kills communities by devaluing the dungeons, the entire grouping experience and the individual players it takes to make a team.
Just because you hate the way that LFG was implemented in one game, doesn't mean the idea can't be used to the benefit of this one. You're being narrow-minded by describing specific rules of LFG in WoW that you hate.
For example:
LFG wouldn't have to let you add more mid run. It could simply be a way for a group to initially get formed, and once formed you're on your own. Or, maybe this would be triggered after say the first boss. Or, maybe you could only add more people if a member left willingly (i.e. no kick option, but you could requeue if someone bailed).
You wouldn't have to make it cross-realm so people would feel (mildly) more hesitant to be complete douches just for the fun of it.
I'd also like to add that I've heard plenty of rude chat, been in groups that were completely devoid of communication, and seen people rage quit from groups. A LFG tool, especially a cross-realm one, would have the possibility to exacerbate this, but make no mistake...it happens with or without it.
The LFG tool wouldn't have to summon people to the instance thus segmenting the world as people so often worry about. You could go back to the whole summoning stone concept where 2+ would have to be at the entrance (or FP area of the fleeet) and summon the rest. Or, heck, they already have FP transporters in many areas already. Just add them to all major hubs, so at most you'd have to run halfway across a zone to get to the starting area of the FP the tool just joined you to.
The concept of a tool that automatically joins people with like minded goals is not a bad one. Just because you disagree with how it was implemented in another game, doesn't mean that the entire idea of it is bad. I'm not even saying any of these ideas are good or bad, but just showcasing how differently it could work.
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No, I did not think LFG/LFR would be cross realm, that is not the point, even if it is same server I, as well as many other people dislike the amonimity that comes from a LFG/LFR. Appearance tab is still i terrible idea, I don't give a crap if it is in EVERY GAME MADE FROM HERE TO INFINITY!!
What about LFG would make anyone more or less anonymous than responding to a call in /1 and joining a group of random people that way?
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Hit Q to bring up the skill menu, and click the tab at the bottom for companion, and you should be able to see what weapon/armor proficiency he has.
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I really think there is even a in-game tooltip for this. Same question over and over again. Go the the guy where you selected your specialization.
You can't get mad at people for people asking newbie questions in the New Player Help forum, ffs. Especially when there's no search feature. If it does, you're clearly in the wrong place.
Anyone else find themselves skipping dialog?
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