Corellia was such a driven experience on the Sith side. I just felt so naturally moving from each part to each part. The urgency of it was great. Belsavis had the epic of freeing the Dread Lords. Imperial Taris was fun with the whole Thana Vesh thing, though she was so incompetent it was hard to take her seriously.

Hello Ebon Hawk, I have recently come back to the game and am looking to find a guild. I'm mostly interested in doing Ops and heroic Flashpoints, PvP to some extent as well. I have a lvl 50 assassin and that's about it right now, though I am slowly leveling some other alts. He's mostly geared for PvP, haven't really had a group of people to run heroics with to get PvE gear. I'm open the idea of running either DPS or Tanking (though the latter intimidates me). I've got experience raiding from other MMOs, mostly as DPS. I'm open to the idea of RPing. I've done a lot of SW RPing at a site called The Gungan Council, but never RP'd in an MMO before. The idea of it is kind of weird to me, very foreign, though I'm open to it. However, it is not really the primary thing I want to be doing with a guild. Thanks, Kecyon

Oh, I'd love to have my names back, don't get me wrong, but I'm fine with the situation. I kind of knew that mine were going to be taken. I hoped one of the two that I lost was not going to be but in the end no big deal. He was a just a lvl2 anyways who I was going to get around to leveling sometime. Would it make me a bit upset if I found out that my characters name was on some unused toon? Yeah... I'd be a little upset, but I'm not going to go hunt down to see who is using my name because... what does it do for me if I look? If I find out that it is a barely used toon, I'm not happy. If I find out it is a toon used a lot... ok I'm at least happy they're playing but I'm still not happy they have my name. But really what it boils down to I think is that... I have to think of it as not being my name. It is just a name. That other person has just as much of a right to it as I do. They just happened to win the server lottery

I have... a Rattataki, a Cyborg, a Pureblood, and a chiss.

As much as she was a fun character to contend with on Taris, she was a moron who I would have hated to travel around with. lol. She served her purpose in the story excellently. I would not ask for more.

I mean... I still feel like Lord Adraas should have been a destination server, but I'm fine moving to the larger community of Ebon Hawk. In the end... it makes no difference to me. I'm still playing the game, and it is fun. There are people to play with, which is good. It is nice to be on a server with more people, but even that is not a big deal to me. I wouldn't want to be in a ghost town of course, but from what I left to what I got... its not that big of a deal. I am sure there are people that appreciate it more than I.

He would likely be more frustrated and he'd be complaining about that. Look, I lost a name that I've RP'd under for years. I lost two actually, and yeah that sucks but not a big deal to me. Do you know why? Because I'm still me and that character is still the same person. Names, while important, don't necessarily mean everything. Changing a name doesn't change the character. The character will be the same no matter what. Also, if you're a good RPer then you should be able to cope with changing a name because you can conceive of a reason for the name to change. It might take work, but big deal. And complaining because a placeholder has your name is invalid. It is a placeholder for a reason. Perhaps they also value that name a lot, but don't have the time to level that character yet. I've got a few lvl1-10s holding on to some names that I value until I leveling them. That might take awhile because I don't have the time to play as much as I would like. Also, perhaps... if you're on an RP server some of the placeholders aren't leveled because some people are taking their time to RP a bunch in low level zones as a low level character (an odd idea for sure, but conceivable). They aren't killing much, doing many quests, so they advance slowly. What else... and yes. It sucks. I transferred from Lord Adraas, a fairly healthy server and probably one were east coast RP servers should have transferred to as an alternative to Ebon Hawk, so it blows to lose my names. I'm not sure that my server should have been put up to transfer from, but that's the hand I was dealt. Bioware went about solving a problem in the best way that they thought would work, and at this point... nothing is going to really change that decision. So really the option is... cope with the situation or... I don't even know... ragequit?

I think to say that they are somehow funny is... wrong. You might find the humorous but load up with them the knowledge of who they are and what facing down with one of them would mean and they become terrifying. If the mouth moving is just a graphical glitch it is still cool. To me it paints them out to be something... less than human or alien. They're creatures of the darkside, giving up what it means to be a normal sentient. They've become with their mantra of fear and dread. Plus it made them actually have character. Before they just looked like a group of inquisitors. Big deal. Now they really are something different. You can't get the armor to look like them (and given how some of ya'll are you don't want that, I get that but I would -love- to rock one of their masks). They are unique and threatening.

Loved it. Fantastic community event. The working together that I saw on both sides was really great.

I agree. That would be rather sick.

Well. I understand the closing it out. It makes sense. I do not expect them to extend it, nor would I ask them to do so. It would certainly benefit me, I was under the impression that the event mostly catered to the lvl 50s so I did not jump on board very early. I regret that, and own that as my own lack of research. The only one at fault for not getting the full containment suite is myself. I managed to get the two raklings, and a crystal I'll be using when I ding, so in my mind I got the cooler stuff anyways. I didn't care for the companions who have the infection customs so I'm not worried about that (though I may spend the next few hours trying to get some boxes just because). If they did extend it... I wouldn't complain. I would be a little happy. It would give me a chance to fix my screw up. I think it would be nice if they did a one day, every quest is open sort of deal. But I feel that starts a dangerous precedent. However, my one case for extending it would be... it has certainly helped the community. But hey, I view this as the first of many fantastic events that they will be rolling out. I will also be far more diligent in the next ones.

You made me happy. I'm getting tired of all the people that are crying over pennies. This though, this was refreshing.

/facepalms Another thread where people complain about something that is not an issue, and of course this is the topic that is most often cried about. 1) You clearly do not care for the world because Star Wars is a battle been the lightside and the darkside. The SW universe is not built around neutrality (which by the way does not exist anywhere in the real world). 2) If you the play the game past the very beginning it is incredibly hard to actually sit in the middle. My sith inquisitor sometimes got lightside points because the options that were given were "lawl kill" or "pragmatic" and for whatever reason the pragmatic reason was lightside. I can cope with this. The vast majority of the time my options are clearly darkside. 3) To be neutral is to be nothing. You are a nobody. Someone who truly does not have a moral compass and just exists to exist. In the end why should you reap rewards or benefits for that? Why should you gain benefits for not committing? It is not like the game forces you into anything, never have I been motivated by gear in any of my choices. 4) Gear with the perks are not that much better. You're squabbling over pennies. 5) Diplomacy fixes all your woes. You get to play the game the way you want and now you can just go and blast your companions on mission to get the points you need to get that gear you oh so covet.

I am absolutely baffled as to why people hate the fact that they have to make decisions in the game. People want to reap the benefits of everything without actually having to make a choice....

Given that ya know... Star Wars is a battle been the lightside and the darkside... I just do not get these problems. I do find that on the Imperial side some of the options that give lightside points are a little wonky. In the end though after playing up to level 20 as my Sith Sorceror I had only gotten 150 lightside points for taking options that were pragmatic instead of outright evil. I never had an issue, and given that my Sith is evil it works out perfectly fine. Republic has some wonky stuff going on as well. My trooper is meant to be a bit more cutthroat no nonsense but pro-Republic which leads to a difficulty in accumulating points but ya know what... that's the character. If cannot get perks from it, meh. Then those OPTIONS then those CHOICES do not get to reap some benefits. I am ok with that because I played those options. I am gratified by taking those options.

I got to level 20 as my Sith Sorcerer (lightning spec) so that I could use chain lighting. The method was something like. DPS the broodmaster, when it went underground I shielded myself, waiting till the broodlings got close to me, used chain lighting, and then did that funky ground pound thing to finish them off, then went back to DPSing the broodmaster. I had a lot of difficulty before I got chain lightning, but once I had that it was a cakewalk.

Do you even grasp the shear quantity of dialogue written, voice acting done, and effort gone into all of this? What needs to change is some of the options need to be clearer on the kind of tone being used. The time needed to put into that is immense though to find the ones where things are not as clear as they should be. But that's all that needs to change. Add some clarity, tis all. Adding more options is not the solution, and to expect it just sets you up for failure.

Canon a wookieepedia article it does not make. Even a lengthy one such as that. Know your lore from actual experience in reading it and you would realize that in all actuality, grey Jedi do not exist. Rogue Jedi, yes. Grey Jedi, no.

Grey Jedi does not really exist in lore either. It is a dumb term typically associated with people who do the RPG and whatnot who try and play a lightside-darksider who exploits the benefits of both. It is the for the Mary-Sue fans. Rogue Jedi is the most apt canon term for Qui'Gonn and Jolee, not Grey Jedi.

Totally. Having your people in uncomfortable chairs means that they will always aspire to be greater. They want that chair. It encourages the Sith way. (( I know you!! ))

This is probably the only great inconsistency that I know of in TOR (not to say it is the only one, just the largest) in how it relates to SW canon. I think that what BioWare has put forward as their explanation is honestly the only reasonable one you can work with. If they are hellbent on putting Chiss in then... the best they can do is honestly explain it away as things got lost over time. Put it out as... during Malgus' expeditions into the unknown regions (my chronology for TOR is not solid, forgive me, this may come later) or during something similar contact was made. A relationship was formed at one of those times. The Chiss, to me, do not appear to be members of the Empire but instead are allies who are offering some of their members. This is why on Balmorra the death of one of their ambassadors is a big deal. Sometime after this war, potentially even because they participated in this war, they become so reclusive that they essentially are unknown to the galaxy. Living in the unknown regions for 2000 years would significantly help that. If they were only offering agents and ambassador's in this war then really the Republic (the eventual victor) would have limited experience with them outside of occasional ones, and they would just know that they exist. And as time continues to pass, 2000 years worth, the information on them begins to slip even more. They become more of a myth. Not every race is well recorded in SW as is. Look at many of the books, "new" races are always being found that virtually no information really exists on. Vergere shows up and they think she is a Vong creation. She comes from the main galaxy and is part of a race there, was even a member of the Jedi order, but when she comes again to the galaxy, the galaxy has practically no knowledge of what she is. That is only... 80 years~ that she is gone from the galaxy and all knowledge of her race is just gone? I mean, the Jedi had to have found her somehow. Zanoma Sekot was considered a myth but had just enough information surrounding it that they went after it on a hunch. If the Jedi Archives can lose information on a planet (Kamino) because of one Sith removing it (or Jedi, do they attribute that to Sifo Dyas now?) then why could all practical knowledge of the Chiss not disappear over 2000 years, ESPECIALLY if they are trying to make themselves not exist. While unlikely. It is possible, and that's good enough for me.

If they were to become actually playable then they would be a part of a whichever side they TRULY represent. If they are a lightside cult then they would be on the Republic. If they were a darkside cult (similar to the Nightsisters) then they would be Empire. It truly is as simple as that. Just because they are not Jedi or Sith does not mean that they exist outside of the Lightside Darkside spectrum.

Except that it is Lucas' universe and his vision does have to be respected because to deviate from the world that Lucas created would to no longer be involved in Star Wars. It is one of the reasons that I get a massive kick out of people that "love" star wars but give little credence to that which is established through the movies and instead favor stuff from EU. EU is nice, but it is meant to enhance not define. That being said. Some have said some great points on neutrality and grey Jedi. Machros said it well. The whole entire "balanced" meter idea would make the Jedi a psycho. It becomes arbitrary and fake. I can understand someone accruing some of the other sides points. On my Sith Inquisitor I've gotten some lightside points from picking options that I viewed as simply being more pragmatic. He is still overwhelmingly darkside but he has ~200 lightside points to his name. My Jedi chars are saints so they don't really get darkside points but I could see where they might get a handful if I wanted to play them less... saintly. A truly nuetral character would not be good or evil and would be instead some sort of insane weird character with no real moral standing. In a world that thrives on the existence of two polar opposites this is a pointless effort. It defeats the purpose of the entire universe. Star Wars is a tale of the lightside vs. the darkside. To walk in there and be like "Ya know... screw that, I just want to be uber and have no side but reap all the benefits of both" is hilarious, and honestly I think shows that you don't actually like star wars. Revan is boring a Mary-Sue of a character. I love KotOR1 and I loved playing as him. I thoroughly enjoyed his story as I ran with it. However, Revan suffers a problem when one tries to make an RPG character with defined backstory and a conclusion into a real character. You have to make a character that does not offend the majority of the people that played as him. So, you are forced into a hole and make a Mary-Sue which really just cheapens the character. The entire time that I dealt with the Revanites I spent the entire time scoffing at their desires to be a Mary-Sue. It was quite saddening, but I know that it had to be kind of done that way so I don't have issue with it. Jolee Bindu is probably the only proper example of a so-called "Grey Jedi" in lore, but the only reason he comes off that way is because he was not really fond of the Jedi Order and its decisions. He draws parallels to Qui'Gonn Jinn in that regard but Qui'Gonn is by no means a Grey Jedi at all. He was a Jedi through and through and a lightsider all the way. He only did not like the council. And that's how Jolee was. As someone beautifully pointed out earlier, Jolee's meter was on the lightside, not all the way up, but it was up there and he does hold issue with you being devoted to the darkside at the end if you so choose that. To paint Qui'Gonn a being a Grey Jedi is laughable at best. The man personifies the code. The only thing that differentiates him from Obi'Wan is that he was not all gung ho about every Council decision. If you absolutely must try and make a term for him outside of an absolute Jedi, He may be considered a Rogue Jedi, and even then that puts him more on the outside than he deserves. TL;DR: Grey Jedi are a falsehood, perceived and concocted by those who do not actually like Star Wars. Want reasons why? Read the post.