yer I am finding it hard to bother, not sure if I will continue or not.

well i guess this answers my question...

So whats server like these days ?

Having decided to come back for third time now, I was wondering what the player numbers are like 4 years in. I play on Beragin colony so I dont know if its dead now or what....

You understand your abusive, obviously quite young, an seem to have declared yourself everyone's better.....in all your posts you put people down an try to insult anyone you decide is... what do you call it ??.. oh yer... "a badz"...

This ladies an gentleman is exactly what I am talking about.... The mentality of the exploiting BG farmer... None dominates in world pvp, you simply survive till the next fight, its as easy as that. Show me exactly where I said I suck at battlegrounds ?.... last I new I have never set foot in one in tor an never will. They are nothing more than a pve farm-a-thon. an Beneath my attention. See, I'll educate you just a little here since you seem to need it.... World pvpers dont need shinys, yes we want progression but shinys dont need to be it. Sadly though because tor is just another rift shinys are central to the game so we have no choice when all you farmers hit up tatt an kill baby's in your shiny new pvp sillys, we have to fight back in quest gear. I have never met a world pvper who says pvp is about gathering shinys so you can gain more shinys. Personally I kill to take from you, or run you off, or make you made. PvP is about winning the fight. No such thing as a fair fight, just the fight you win by any means. (no not hacks an exploits)

World pvp is not about balance, that is battlegrounds. Limiting world pvp to 8 ? LOl seriously ?.... That isn't world pvp mate the whole idea of world pvp is it isn't scripted, isn't controlled an isn't micro managed. No, it world pvpers dont just zerg. It is about killing the enemy anywhere you find them. Taking what they have, or running them off so you can kill in peace. if you are out questing an 5 guys jump on you, call for help. If your realm mates wont come to your aid, change realms cos your community is obviously crap (welcome to tor).... World pvp is in the end, is about fighting an winning or loosing on your own terms. Take last night for instance, I was in dune sea on one of my alts, an 2 commandos jumped me, I hit stealth, ran an came back around while the idiots thought they could dare take over my questing spot... I waited 5 min an they over pulled as I new they would. Both were at half health, I zapped one, an killed other, then killed second one.... they left. World pvp happened. edit Pets/companions do not ruin world pvp, they have never been anything but a side target in any real MMO. Ignore them an kill the owner it's as black an white as that mate. Fair dues, you took alot of time to write that out, but what you want is a special battleground controlled an restricted. That isnt world pvp.

If your going to respond to me I expect a minimum level of maturity, or els block me. I dont tolerate silly school name calling... thank you. The only reason players like yourself today complain is because you either want everything everyone els has, or you dont want anyone able to do something you cant do exactly same..... I dont know where you picked up this attitude, but the only ones loosing out are you.

really funny thing is, you see all the wow generation saying that world pvp cant be done, world pvp si "unfair" world pvp "has never been done in anything but fail gamez" as they call it Yet UO the game was about killing those "Anti dogs" Asheron's call the game was about killing Bloods... There were no battlegrounds back then, Daoc was the first to bring in BG's unluckily (or unlucky) depending how you see it, they were great, but after that things fell apart. The one tihng all these games had in common was blisteringly good world pvp... Because it can be done an it has been done. There were no shiny gravytrains back then because you got "gear" from lots of different places, but gear then was less about stats an more about looks.

You shouldn't, both those classes should be completely different, if one guy has a nuke that does 200 an one guy has a nuke does 100, you give him another ability that the first guy doesn't have.... Diversity isn't hard, it just takes time to do. Your comparasins for DAOC are a good example. Cabbys had a skill that allowed them to shut down mages range (forget the name now) Spiritmasters didn't have that, they were able to do PBAOE I think ?.. its bin 8 years.... Now Cabbys pet could also run down stealthers without any actions on your part other than putting them on agro, spirit masters couldn't do that, but they were brutal in pve.... Diveristy...

So all MMOs were wrong pre wow ? all MMO devs got it wrong did they ? As for real world, irrelevant. Daoc the premier RVR MMO ever created, 47 classes an every single one of them was original. Not one of them was balanced, an guess what, we managed to survive day in day out. It meant we had to .... an (heres the shocker)...."Learn" how to counter them. If you had it the way you see things, you'll only need 1 of anything in an MMO....

healers would/should still be able to get points by actually healing people not just exploiting heal themselves. Tanks can kill people just fine, I play a 47 JK defence spec an have no probs in world pvp.

I'm a little more pessimistic than you. Your average gamer today doesn't want difficulty, doesn't want content doesn't want in depth play, they want.......Shinys. It honestly boils down to that.

yer I was on Ahazi an tor has NOTHING in common with SWG pvp.

I will never understand why it is your generation demands everything be perfectly equal. Why is it exactly diversity scares you so much ? (yes I'm being serious). Proper MMos are never even class diversity is what makes an MMO fun to play. If it goes your way all we have is clones all looking, an doing exact same thing.

well said mate, you just nailed it exactly.

I think you an I are the last of the "PK" breed mate, most now are Antis or pve'ers farming shinys . good post by the way.

Reason is, because your all fixated on farming BG's so when you run into actual pvpers in the world,you treat them same as battleground farmers. We arnt. A great many players think their shinys can play for them, I cant count the number of BG farmers an afkers who run up to me in their silly champion gear or whtever its called, get punted into a group or mobs or over a cliff then start abusing me for it...

PLEASE!! Bioware, make BG farmers actualy have to do something for their shiny quota for day. Dolling out barrow loads just for turning up is offensive for those of us who world pvp only an dont get any progression at all. At a minimum they should ONLY be given points per kill that they strike the killing blow or do 51% of the damage to the red. Doing this you instantly kill all bots an afk'ers off, not to mention you hugely dent the ill BG farmers ability to kill trade. Make all these shiny traders an farmers work for their bobbles.

Tor is just a simple time filler for me. Some of us work damn hard for a living an we "earn" our time off.... when you leave highschool you may learn what it's about.

In other words you ignored everything I said because you know it's true an instead "try" to insult me in hopes you look cool....

lol those "systems are what made MMO's you think wow just popped up out of nowhere?. "Real MMO's" were for players who wanted community, fun,politeness,content,interesting people from all over the world. They were older than today, they were FAR more mature, because less kids back then could afford a PC. The gimmi generation are far far to spoiled an entitled an it shows just by looking at all the threads on this forum alone, it is worse than any I have seen in a decade. an I was in AC1 an UO....lol The reason those systems dont work today is devs are not brave enough to bring them back because you young lads/lasses dont want consequence, you dont want time invested, you dont want diversity. You want it fast, easy an a flood of shinys. Now I dont think this is news to anyone here, we all see the facts on this forum. It isn't an insult but it is simple basic facts. Funny little side note, GW2 is being made from ground up with Asherons Call 1 and DAOC game play an guess what, the game is becoming MASSIVE with players the world over because we all want to go back to the days of proper pvp, an pve content.

I am horrified that players today see 2 days play as unacceptable time to farm shinys..... that gob smacks me.

whats really a problem si the fact all these nerfs are coming because of battlegrounds. LOL no class should EVER be balanced because of that ****. Its always demanded by players who did something wrong an automatically decide xyz is over powered.

Illum has nothing to do with pvp, its simply a pve farming zone.