Good to see you again ReiKai. And no, the Ebon Hawk is an obvious rip from the Falcon, which was built thousands of years later and is more advanced in every way imaginable, shoddy or not.

Entry #86 The Story Of Exar Kun I visited the Jedi Library and decided to see if I could find stories on fallen Jedi. Although most Masters caution against actively searching for excerpts on Dark Jedi, they're just that, excerpts. So it's safe enough for Padawans to read and not get influenced. It was there I stumbled upon the story of a guy named Exar Kun. I gotta admit, only a fallen Jedi could have a cool name like that. Anyway, it turns out he was extremely talented (like Janace), and then somewhere along the line he went on a massive ego-trip(something I assume Janace is doing). Even though he was a really bad guy who started a war a long time ago, his situation doesn't really fit in with what Janace is going through. She's really down to Earth, and I'm sure ancient Sith spirits aren't contacting her in her sleep. I guess the only thing I can do now is confront her myself in our next training session. Wish me luck. -------------------------------------------------- Entry #87 A Tale Of Two Codes So....things didn't go quite as I planned earlier today. Maybe I shouldn't have antagonized Janace during our lightsaber duel. See, this is what happened. We were fighting, and it was pretty much a stalemate. I was trying as hard as I could to keep it that way, but then there was a slight lull, so I decided to use that opportunity to say to her, "Janace, I think you're changing." She gritted her teeth(something she has never done before mind you) and then said to me in a very serious tone "Are you going to talk, or fight?" Now normally I would have an "outer body experience" and catch myself before I could do something stupid, but she really fired me up after saying that. I remember continuing the duel, and deciding to stick to what worked the time I beat her. So I drew the duel out, and I ended up disarming her again. I thought that would have been the end of it until Janace suddenly lashed out at me with a very intense Force Push. She made my shield look like a Tatooine slave house, and I ended up on my back. I was more shocked than I was hurt, and I might have been a little scared. But when Janace approached me, she had a very worrisome(and innocent) look on her face. She helped me up, brushed me off, and asked if I was alright. I told her I was Okay, but then added that "She cheated." We both had a good laugh, and then decided to call it a day. Now I know I should really tell someone about this before something bad happens, but on the other hand I really don't want to be called a "Slug rat" for the rest of my life. I'm now honestly a tad fearful of dueling against Janace again. I'm lucky that she didn't break my neck! I guess I'll just train with my Master all day tomorrow. Maybe everything will blow over. -------------------------------------------------- Entry #88 Do The Right Thing So today my Master finally taught me how to truly meditate. He did mention that he sensed my mind was "clouded" and needed to be sorted out or whatever. It was during my meditation that I was able to find the true purpose of it. The one thing that held me back from telling someone about Janace was my own pride. I cared more about my reputation than I did my own friend, and that's no way to live. I have a faint feeling my Master knew what I was going through, which was why he suggested I seriously meditate now. I guess it's all up to me to open my mouth about it, and then live with the consequences later. But, I was hungry, so I went to the Mess Hall to grab a bite to eat. It was still roughly early in the day, so it was pretty empty. When I left I saw Janace in the middle of the hallway. I admit, my heart nearly jumped out of my chest when I saw her, because I remembered that I didn't tell her that I wasn't going to show up to our previous training session. She approached me and spoke in a soft, even tone, as if she had just finished crying. She asked me why would I dump her for my master(Yes, she actually used the term "dump") , to which I apologized and said "It won't happen again." Now correct me if I'm wrong, as I know that some people(especially girls) may have some possessive qualities, but this isn't normal behavior is it? Okay, now I really need to nip this in the bud. -------------------------------------------------- Entry #89 Too Little Too Late I'm a little depressed right now, so I'll try and explain everything as thoroughly as possible. Okay so first off, I woke up, brushed my teeth, washed my hair (It was actually really curly for once) and then I went to my scheduled meeting with my Master. I figured that I could use our meeting to tell him everything about the Janace situation, and everything will be okay. So nothing bad can happen right? Wrong. My Master informed me that a Padawan girl "lashed out at her Master during their training session." He didn't have to say a name, I already knew who it was. So what's bad is that now Janace has been locked up in her chambers with like, five different Masters to help her tame her inner darkness. As it turns out, she first battled her inner darkness during a meditation session with me, and then she kept doing it on her own. She kept losing the fight, and her behavior became increasingly erratic. What's worse is that now she will not be allowed to partake in the Trials, perhaps for a very, very long time. Oh and the best part? Since every Master in the Temple somehow found out that I was having secret meetings with her, and that I saw firsthand her change and didn't tell anyone, I was considered an accomplice. So now I have Mess Hall duty and on top of that, I have the privilege to work as a gardener in the Temple for who knows how long. But I learned a very important lesson through all of this..... Women are crazy. Davin- 1 Force- 2 -------------------------------------------------- To Be Continued......

Entry #80 The Darkside's In The Details Earlier today I met up with Janace at the usual spot so she can begin her "intense" training sessions with me (because apparently the ones with her master weren't intense enough). We started out with a lightsaber duel, and I bested her. She was extremely impressed, saying that "I had grown tremendously." Although I do like to pat my own back on occasion, what I did wasn't all that special. I just parried and ran from her until she got tired, then I nicked her in her sword hand, effectively disarming her. I felt like I fought more like a coward than I did a Jedi, however Janace insisted that I give her some advice, to which I replied "You need to improve your focus." The irony was delicious. Next we meditated (oh joy!), she said that during her Trials she will have to face the "darkness within", and that she wanted me to meditate with her. We sat in front of each other and "centered" ourselves. Honestly I think I was fast asleep, but all I remember is waking up to hear Janace panting heavily. Before I could even approach her she waved me off and smiled, saying "It was nothing." I suggested that we call it a day, and she agreed. She looked at me and smiled before heading off, though I wonder, did her eyes always have a yellow tint? -------------------------------------------------- Entry #84 Quickie Janace and I usually spend hours at a time training with each other, and I thought today wouldn't be any different. When we met up I could tell that she was quite winded, something I never knew she could be minus the meditation incident. She seemed far more eager than she should for someone in her condition, and I asked if she was okay, and she replied "I'm fine, really." And smiled, although it seemed forced. However being the sensitive and empathetic kind of guy I am, I completely ignored her physical condition and shrugged it off. Our lightsaber duel didn't go quite as planned....at least for me. I thought I could beat her again, but instead she managed to pummel me at record time. She was much stronger than I had anticipated, perhaps stronger than she had ever been. It was quite alarming, but I was also somewhat proud. I asked her if she wanted to meditate, but then she just said "No, I think we should call it a day." That surprised me but I couldn't protest. I was tired, and my pride was wounded. However that just begged the question, what in the world was I going to do for the rest of the day? Train with my master for meditation practice? It was in the middle of the day, and I had no choice. I went into my master's chambers, and then we.....meditated. I just hate it, it solves nothing, it accomplishes nothing (other than giving me a good nap) and I honestly never know what I'm doing. You'd think my master would have taught me by now. -------------------------------------------------- Entry #85 Paradigm Shift Something really strange happened earlier in my training session with Janace, and now I'm starting to put the pieces together. First she showed up a half an hour late (she's never ever late), and she's the polite type, so I was expecting to hear some kind of explanation, but she didn't give me one at all. She just pretended as if I didn't know she came late. Heck I'm not the type to question someone anyway. Second, during our lightsaber duel, I kept getting these "chills." It was like a cold wind running down my spine, but only....sinister. I thought it was all in my head until I realized they went away after Janace had beaten me. Last but not least, after I asked her if she was feeling alright, she glanced at me, and when she did, her eyes were yellow just like before. But at the speed of a blink, they were back to normal, and she smiled and said "I'm fine Davin, I really am." I should be a responsible Padawan and report this to my Master, but I don't want to be labeled a slimy Gammorean rat and get her in trouble, so I decided that tomorrow I was going to head to the Jedi Library for some independent research. Some honest research this time.

I appreciate the support. I am now back and shall continue this story. -------- Entry #45 Fashion Sense So my master might have found out that I have used the Jedi Library for "less than respectable" research. But it's not like I did anything bad, it was an honest mistake really. I wanted to learn more about the world like any wise Padawan should, so I decided to study up on fashion. And it just so happens that I stumbled upon these rather small, frilly robes that women wear. There's nothing wrong with that right? I mean a Padawan should be able to learn about stuff like that, it's not like I'm a kid or anything. And what's the worse that can happen? Well my master decided that I could not control my "baser instincts" or whatever, then forced me to do some more meditation. I'm glad he didn't find out what I was meditating about..... -------------------------------------------------- Entry #51 Please Don't Crush Me I finally worked up the courage to tell Janace about the "vision" I had about her. She (surprisingly) didn't lash out at me, instead she chuckled and said "Oh, you made me think it was something serious." I guess I might have been worried for nothing, but it's also quite eerie how calm and cool and she always comes off as. Maybe it's because I tend to wear my heart on my sleeve, which is something my Master warned me about. "Emotions are the pathway to the mind" or something or another. He always seems to have a phrase ready for everything, I swear he premeditates this stuff. But that aside, the "vision" made me realize that maybe I've been spending TOO much time with Janace. What if it's gotten to the point where she thinks I have a crush on her!? She's right to an extent but, I don't want her to know that! I refuse to let the first girl I like turn me down! Maybe if I tell her that we should take some time off for about...... I don't know maybe a week at most, then that'll be enough time for her to forget her assumptions about me. There's no way this can fail! -------------------------------------------------- Entry #58 Line Of Sight I remember back when Janace barely even noticed me, and I would always notice her. But now that she has started noticing me, she can't stop noticing me! Everywhere I go she's always there! I already told her a week ago that we should take a "break." Maybe she thought I meant strictly instruction, in that case I can see the misunderstanding, if I had been more clear than maybe this wouldn't be happening. It's like the Temple is the size of a Hutt house now. An albeit small, skinny, Hutt house, if those exist. I've seen her in the Mess Hall, in the Library, on my way to my chambers, heck I've even seen her IN my chambers, dropping off a book to "help me refine my Soresu." Maybe I'm overreacting, but I consider myself to be a very social person (more so than I should) but there are more moments out of the day where I wish to be alone than be accompanied with someone, even if that person is Janace. If anything, our brief time away showed me that all my feelings simply came about because I was around her constantly, and that I WAS becoming a little too attached. So that means.....my master was right? Either way, if I walk down another corridor (that I could have sworn was completely empty) and see her pop out of The Force knows where, I might have to take a long vacation in my meditation chambers. Davin - 1 Force - 1 -------------------------------------------------- Entry #61 A Good Knight My Master sat me down and talked to me about my current status as a Padawan. He told me that I have potential, but I need to have more focus. I then admittedly blanked out for a few sentences (my master's voice is so monotone) and then realized that he was beginning to mention the Jedi Trials. I immediately asked him if I was ready, to which he quickly replied "No." I really should have saw that coming. Despite that however, he did mention to me some Padawans who were up for discussion. Some I knew, some I have never heard of in my life, but my heart skipped a beat when Janace's name came up. I knew she was a terrific Padawan, but there have been terrible stories surrounding the Jedi Trials. Hopefully if she is selected to go about them, she'll come back in one peace. Hopefully. -------------------------------------------------- Entry #79 Trial And Error My master has been surprisingly drilling me on lightsaber combat a lot lately. It's almost as if he's doing it as a sense of urgency, like he's running out of time or something. I didn't think too much about it however, as I did manage to impress him on several occasions thanks to the tutoring of Janace. My master said that I was well on my way, but he didn't say to what. I don't know if that means "well on my way to Knighthood" or "well on my way to actually being decent." Both of which I wouldn't mind. Later Janace wanted to talk to me, she seemed really excited, then proceeded to tell me that she was given permission by the Council to undergo her trials. I had completely forgot that she was even nominated, and I was just as surprised as she was that she was allowed to do it. Although we were both really happy, we were also sad too. A lot of things can happen to a Padawan during the Trials, so she insisted that me and her train together seriously until the day of her Trial. That way the training with her master, along with her additional training with me will surely prepare her. But she made it seem as if I never tried against her before...... -------------------------------------------------- To Be Continued.....

Everything you listed as what Revan can do, Obi-wan can too, even force lightning. Also it's not a toss-up in lightsaber combat. Obi-Wan, the master of Soresu vs Revan, whose style is undefined right now. An educated guess would be Obi-Wan wins unless stated otherwise.

That's because some people LIKE what THEY disliked. Tython/Coruscant are parts of the story I thoroughly enjoyed because I LIKE lore and history. Some people may say it's boring and that is because you are doing more time taking in information than you are fighting. It's personal preference, either you like it or you don't.

^ Your information is just all wrong.

I want everyone to note that ReiKai is now the only lone Revan crusader left on these forums. Took some years but we finally cut them all down.

This. It goes both ways. A dark side Jedi is still a Jedi because he/she has not joined the organization formally known as "Sith." If said dark jedi is banished however, then he/she is simply exiled from the order, they will not be considered Sith unless they join their ranks.

I can respect that. From your perspective I can see why you feel the way you do. What Star Wars ultimately boils down to is Luke's atypical heroic journey. If you think about, everything before solely exists as background knowledge of the known Universe in which encompasses Luke, and everything after is nothing more than a testament to his legacy. But I honestly don't know if I would continue with much interest after Ben's story is told, so in a way I am like you but much younger, no offense.

Game mechanics are not canon for starters. Cutscenes and cinematics are. Secondly, there are several sources that directly state Sidious as the most powerful Sith to have ever lived, and Luke Skywalker thrashed him in their fight in the EU, so by proxy Luke is the most powerful Force User to have ever lived.

Then you'll be wrong. There's no way around it. Either you're right, or you're not. The top two or three spots on both sides are clenched. Luke, Yoda, and Mace. Sidious, Plaegus, and Vitiate. There's just no debating it.

Unlike good ol' Grandpa ProfessorWalsh, I am excited for the future and the next generation to rise and take Luke's place. I have to say that Ben has become my favorite character throughout these novels simply due to the fact that he seems to act much more normal for someone his age as opposed to most other Jedi who came before. He relies more on intelligence than feelings, he is skeptical, slow to trust like most teenagers his age should be, but he has a child-like kindness about him that is borderline naive. It is also incredibly apparent that Luke always questions if he has prepared Ben for the next step in life, and always chooses real life situations and events to test him. Not only can fans my age identify with that, but it just seems right to me. Also, no. I am not taking shots at ProfessorWalsh.

Go to wookiepedia.org Search Luke Skywalker Powers and Abilities And now you know a little bit more about canon.

Allow me to help some people out here. Sidious is canonically the most powerful Sith of all time. If you do not have him as number one, then your list is wrong. If Luke isn't number one for Jedi, then you are laughably wrong. Revan is NOT top 5 Sith or Jedi. He is in the lower end of the top tier, so the bottom 7-8-9 etc.

Palpatine doesn't have to prove it. Canon does.

And yet we should take your baseless opinions as fact? What other Jedi/Sith completely mastered the Soresu form? Don't worry I'll wait...... How many Makashi practicioners have been lauded as much as Dooku has both as a Sith and a Jedi? Don't worry I'll wait...... How many Jedi have been able to match Yoda's feats other than Luke? Don't worry I'll wait..... I am using something called "logic." I am making educated conclusions based on the evidence I have provided, but MOSTLY the lack there of, meaning, since there is NO evidence to say otherwise, then it is SAFE to assume that what I am saying is correct UNTIL something else comes along to prove me wrong. That is how a debate works. You don't just say "well there's no evidence to SPECIFICALLY support you so we're at an impasse" otherwise, not a lot could ever be truly debated. But based on the fact that there is NOTHING to counter what I am saying, and the fact that I can make logical leaps based on what I have provided, then if it safe to say that I am correct. To dumb it down for you; if you can't provide evidence to counter me, then you have no leg to stand on because you can talk a good game all you want, it still won't mean you're right. No one said anything about writing. This is about him being the most powerful, and it's safe to assume that you recognize that, shoddy writing aside (which isn't really shoddy imo but that's another debate.)

What the previous posters above me fail to understand is that Anakin was the Chosen One because only HE was capable of putting an end to Sidious's reign. And what makes it more special than any other Jedi to come before him is that Sidious could have PERMANENTLY pushed the Force out of balance. That's how much dark energy he exuded.

As much as I LOVED this thread. And I mean I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED it for shutting down all the Revan fanboys..... there is no need to expand on this. 90% of the site finally understand how horribly overrated Revan is, and this is mostly because Drew destroyed his character AND wrote a cliche' story around him to begin with.

"That is so like you, Master Kenobi. I am called a great swordsman because I invented a lethal style; but who is greater, the creator of a killing form—or the master of the classic form?" ―Mace Windu to Obi-Wan Kenobi[src] ^Obi-Wan wasn't -A- master of Soresu, he was -THE- master of it. And what evidence do you have to counter this? None. "…and Shaak Ti's the most cunning Jedi I've met. She's even taught me a few tricks." ―Obi-Wan Kenobi[src] ^Here, the greatest Soresu practioner gives a nod to Shaak Ti. Again, you have no evidence or argument to say that she's -NOT- the most cunning warrior of all time. He was one of a very few practitioners of dueling-centric Makashi in the Order at the time,[1] and unmatched in his mastery of it.[26] ^Count Dooku, in a time where Jedi and Sith were at their most powerful, was unmatched in his practice of Makashi. Now what evidence do you have to counter this? Let me guess....none. Considered the greatest Jedi Master of the era by many, Yoda was one of the most skilled users of the Force in the history of the galaxy. ^There is no other Jedi before Yoda who was more powerful than him. If the Old Republic Sith such as "Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos," and etc are considered to be on a firmly lower tier than Sidious, then we can infer that Jedi such as "Thon, Nomi Sunrider, and Ulic" are on a firmly lower tier than Yoda. So Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader didn't dismantle the Jedi Order with his bare hands/lightsaber? Also, if you want to bring up Yoda/Obi-Wan. Well, 1)Vader killed Obi-Wan and 2)Yoda exiled himself, so he wasn't considered a Jedi. Also, any scattered Jedi that MAY have been alive cannot truly be considered Jedi if there is no Jedi Order. Shortly after the death of his master, Sidious received a most powerful vision from voices that proclaimed his reign. ”Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time.”-- The Complete Visual Dictionary. “Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.” (Vader: the Ultimate Guide, page 19) “Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.”(The New Essential Chronology, page 84 ) Now what is the hyperbole? Gary Stu=Most Powerful. Thanks for agreeing with me. Windu was one of the greatest swordsmen of his time. He defeated Sora Bulq during their duel on Ruul and overwhelmed Asajj Ventress shortly afterwards. Windu also overwhelmed Count Dooku during the battle of Boz Pity[42] and even managed to defeat Darth Sidious himself in a duel But I guess defeating the most powerful Sith Lord in history in a lightsaber duel doesn't mean anything huh? Sidious practiced something called CONTROL. Nihilus COULDN'T control the power, the power CONTROLLED HIM. It is the same technique, it was being applied differently. Darth Krayt was denied access because he was "blasphemous." And assuming that Vader was denied access, which is highly improbable, he could simply ask the most powerful Sith in history, Sidious, to teach him. I guess being the greatest Djem So practitioner means you never passed the basics right? Also, he didn't demonstrate anything more than TK because he didn't HAVE to do anything else. He can RESIST Force Lightning, can overpower any other Force User save Sidious in a battle of TK (his scope so great that he can Force Choke someone from across space) and his lightsaber prowess is virtually unmatched.

Not this "there needs to be 2 Jedi/2 Sith" logic. Look, the darkside is an IMBALANCE. There is the FORCE, then there is the DARKSIDE. The "lightside" is the FORCE, and the Sith is the "DARKSIDE." Sidious's presence alone was enough to almost permanently leave the force OUT of balance because of the darkness he created. With his death, and Vader's redemption, the Force was back IN BALANCE again. Remember, The Jedi=The Force, The Sith=Darkness.

Ah, my good friend ReiKai. Oh how I have missed you. Everyone else take a back seat. I'll deal with him. Doesn't matter where they fight. Darth Vader is the FAR superior combatant than Sion. He doesn't HAVE to convince him of anything. He could chop all of his limbs off and fling them into deep space. The greatest argument I have ever seen concocted is the whole, "ONLY MEETRA SURIK CAN BEAT NIHILUS" thing. If Darth Vader can resist the unfathomable power in which Sidious emits, what makes you think Nihilus can do any better? And do you really think that someone in possession of MORE Sith lore than any other Sith before him would be left defenseless against his technique, especially if you consider that Sidious can use THE EXACT SAME TECHNIQUE and HAS done it to slowly eat an entire planet?

But Palpatine became far more powerful than Plaeigus EVER was.

If you absolutely LOVE Jedi lore and history, as well as philosophies and working as the diplomat, then this story is right up your alley. And yes, due to the "out of galaxy" heroics you do, as in, the secret war in which you fight, makes the story a viable KOTOR 3+.

Dirty Fighting is (and always has been actually) better than Scrapper. It was a VERY underrated spec, but it plays similar to both a Scrapper and a Marauder with the DoT elements.