At some point we must make a choice between what is right and what is easy.

In full BM gear with some Rakata and orange augments. Definitely can still own people, maybe just have to be more selective about entering engagements. The guns blazing tactic isn't viable anymore, but if you play smart you can still dominate.

Still playing War Hero Scrapper in PvP. Still topping Deeps charts, usually up there in medals. Occasionally another scoundrel on my server is on and he is dropping 390K pretty easily. It's still a good class, the nerfs weren't great, but hey, I like the play style. It'll take a lot more for me to leave.

I gotta go, otherwise I'd really enjoy keeping this up. I'll leave you with this: It should be better.

As mentioned, the timing of this makes NO sense. They decided a few hours before RELEASE that Rateds won't work? Okay, I can believe that. Must be a relatively small issue that came up in the last few hours of testing right? So that means it should be resolved quickly, right? Wait...it'll take WEEKS/MONTHS?

Fair point, but this isn't some nuance that they didn't expect because of a lack of information prior to launch. This is a major feature (proven by the amount of people "raging" these threads) that has failed to live up to expectations hours before launch. I am not willing to just say "it is what it is." Is that really what you get for $200 mil these days?

For PvP? Do tell.

True, but your evidence is also anecdotal. Also, the fact that they are failing to improve their closed pvp system by implementing Rateds docks against that half of the system. So like I said -- less than half decent

Fair enough, but I am Medical Resident who has to deal with the "current level of technology" in my field, and any deficits in that technology is taken into account prior to implementation. For example, in a surgery setting let's say there are back up x-rays, back up cauterizers, back up light fixtures, back up rooms. All possibilities are accounted for so that an hour before the surgery we don't go "hey sorry, our X-ray is broken, come back tomorrow"

Closed (WZ) and Open (Ilum) PvP make up the two halves to a PvP system. Ilum is a wasteland, and WZ are struggling. So it is less than half decent.

Why do you insist on having low expectations? In a Modern MMO that costs $200 million to make why is it unreasonable to expect a half decent PvP system?

For the PvP crowd that is the simple, honest truth. I will say I am pumped about Novare Coast, but other than that Rated WZ was what I was looking most forward to.

See I really appreciate what you're saying, I do, but I think you're allowing them too much slack. We shouldn't expect "95%," we should expect "100%" of what they promise us. If the USPS delivered "95%" of our mail it would be a disaster, and their work is far more complicated than this. If they weren't prepared to put out a steady stream of solid content in addition to polished launch content than they should have delayed LAUNCH, not patches and patch features. Speaking for many people on here, I would have appreciated and understood that.

Good for you? I am sure plenty of people enjoyed the Halo series for it's campaign, but unfortunately a good portion of the population enjoyed multiplayer.

So you agree? We shouldn't expect BW to put out quality content as they advertise?

I'm not going to come out and claim that I have some expertise in 'business economics,' but i am seriously willing to believe that you do (no sarcasm). But what you said is truly poignant to me. The idea that this game is "centered on story and PvE gameplay" and that they can't find the to dedicate resources to PvP I think is completely on the mark, and that is also the inherent issue. Also, the idea that they have been doing this for "4 months" is ludicrous. This game has been in development for several years. I think at some point the concept of how to do "rated warzones" crossed their minds over those years and since they have a dedicated pvp team (as well as other teams like "legacy" that are preparing content for 1.4 currently) they should be able to have an idea of how it will go more than 12 hours before RELEASE.

You're right, because the idea of them putting out a quality, finished, timely product appears to be just a foolish expectation.

Listen dude, you're acting like we want this game to fail. Players have paid/played this game since December, we have no interest in wanting it to fail, but at some point the writing is on the wall and ignoring is just a mistake. A 'couple of months' would be nothing if this game was tracking to have a lifespan of more than a year/two years tops.

James Wire ‏ @JamesWire1 · Open @Rockjaw Are Ranked WZs going to be within the next month or are we talking about 1.3 here? Stephen Reid ‏ @Rockjaw Close @JamesWire1 I can't give an accurate ETA right now, but we're hoping pre-1.3.

Also, to anyone who suggests that this is "a good thing" because they caught something in testing is just straight an apologist like I have been for several months. Something that puts a major feature of "the biggest patch ever" at risk should be addressed months before release. They have been quoted as saying that they have been preparing the KUS flashpoints for over a year, tell me how this could have happened if they had devoted a similar amount of time to Rateds?

Where did you hear about it being "a few weeks." All that has been put out there is Stephen Reid on twitter saying that they "hope" that it will be pre-1.3. That could means months not weeks. And if you need to ask why waiting months for something that we were promised in less than 24 hours then you clearly don't PvP in this game and it's not worth talking to you about this.

That had more to do with having an 8-man premade. Should have made that more clear.

Well that's not true... Ranked WZ give us 8v8 queues, Ranked WZ coms, tracked stats, and, finally, working towards balanced PvP.

Obviously there are more PvE'rs in this game than PvP'ers, but any people that unsubbed who like PvP will not come back. What's disappointing is that on my server it is probably the last nail in the coffin for a lot of people and it will slowly wilt.

I have been a BW apologist before/since launch of SW:TOR and I gotta say this is like something out of a bad dream. A lot of folks in my guild/other buds on my server had left with plans to return for a good run at Rated WZs, and now it's over. I understand that they need to make sure that they got this right and that when it functioned it worked perfectly, but that's what the last several weeks have been for, right? This is truly absurd, I won't unsub over this (just because I still squeeze whatever enjoyment I can out of this game) but this is the first time that I am STRONGLY considering it. BTW... FIX SPACE COMBAT!!!