MortisMortavius
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You're relying on that one line though, instead of reading all available material. If you read the information made known to you, the first come first serve aspect would be obvious.
I agree, however, this material is not in the upgrade flow if you were one of the people clicking from an email after the "open" beta weekend. You click, you get purchase options, you buy...
This is no doubt misleading, they should say MIGHT not MAY... but they chose not to do that, they chose to leave it ambiguous; that's certainly misleading.
If I told you, "you may go to the bathroom up to 5 hours from now". Would you go around looking for more information about up to 5 hours from now? No, because it's commonly understood to mean that you have permissions and the ball is in your court as to when you go.
However if I said, "you might be able to go to..." then you'd inquire further as to what the conditions are...
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1st of all, it was misleading. Fine print my butt. That add that contained the "you may play up to 5 days early" was a recent add. Let me repeat that. RECENT. So if those that purchased the game, through that add, like myself, get in on the 19th, it will be misleading.
2nd. This is not a sob story but circumstances in my life have lead me to raise my daughter alone. No help whatsoever. Sure i have a decent job but thankfully her birthday is in december (she tuned 14) and i got the game for her. So out of respect i had to wait to pre-order it for myself after i got hers.
Meanwhile our family and friends are leveling on a server that is rapidly filling up.
I understand the companies purpose for a staggering launch. However with that being said, its terrible for the consumer.
THIS ^^
The exact verbiage is absolutely 100% AMBIGUOUS ...
That means it can be interpreted multiple ways...
If I told you, "You may go to the bathroom up to 5 hours from now", you would assume that you are allowed to go to the bathroom up to 5 hours from now... not that you MIGHT be able to go to the bathroom up to 5 hours from now. It's common colloquial vernacular ...
Not to mention it STILL SAYS THAT on the advertising... and I'm pretty sure if you preorder today you don't even have the possibility of playing 5 days early.
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Im sure they will release a Bonus Wave if they feel that there might be space for it...
They win nothing by holding the community back from the game.
So just hold your thumbs, cross your fingers and bow to the great Flying Spaghetti Monster, And we will all be save by his noodleness in time.
Most intelligent post in this thread.... specifically, "They win nothing by holding the community back from the game."
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Actually I agree with the OP.
Everyone invited AFTER the game has launched (EA/BW's own words) is getting LATE access
Early access does not exist considering anyone that buys the game right now technically gets "early access" lol.
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I'll try to paraphrase what I was saying about a different launch mechanism that would be infinitely scaleable ...
FIRST ... move your login/auth server storage to NoSQL (something memory resident [Redis for example]) rather than a RDBMS. Login/Auth servers should be the only common system you touch in an MMO. These systems should also be able to serve Server Lists (also memory resident NoSQL).
Shard the RESTful interface to this system across as many boxes as you want... et voila you have horizontal scaling... for all common access points.
Now all you need to do is open the amount of servers that comfortably fits the number of preorders you have (with some margin to allow for server xfers). Yes that's right, free character xfers right off the bat. Obviously, some servers will not be available to xfer to but that's ok, people can figure this out themselves. Just make sure to show the status of each server so that people can group together how they'd like, etc...
I know that this extra margin of servers will create, in the end, servers with low populations but you've already got server xfers setup so it makes things quite a bit easier on your user base.
The current staggered release method, while it will ensure you don't have "more servers than you absolutely need at 'launch'", will do absolutely nothing against declining populations on servers over time. Interest in MMOs wanes over time, that's just a fact of life but if you already have the facilities to allow for xfers and merges, you're good to go.
The end result is you can let everyone in on launch day, and while some people will xfer around to be with friends or to lower pop servers, nobody will ever need to wait in a queue...
To the mods: If you're deleting my threads because they have a duplicate topic to another thread, please point me to the correct thread... the forums are moving so fast it's impossible to distinguish what thread is the "correct" thread...
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I'm upset as I was in the middle of typing a well thought out example of a different type of launch... which is now lost and for some reason Chrome decided not to maintain the data from the textarea element ...
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Is this China? LOL
All threads about staggered access (and apparently suggestions on how to improve a launch) are being deleted...
poor form BW, poor form...
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OP, I can't imagine how you must feel right now knowing that I'm playing and you are not.
Doesn't really bother me tbh, I just want to know what date I'm getting access...
And what are you doing in the forums if you have access? Bored with the game already? or just trolling?
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I think a much better approach would be to let everyone in and have free character xfers on DAY 1...
All problems solved.
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It's a game launch... if all the data isn't being reset... it's a launch, get over it fanbois...
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Regardless of if you're in, if you're not in, whatever your status...
I personally thought the entire idea sucked to begin with and it's certainly proven true for me.
I hope I never see another staggered release in an MMO EVER again; EVAR!
Is there anyone that actually still thinks this was a good idea?
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Always kinda wondered where the difference came from. Maybe the American format (MM/DD/YY) is based on wording: December 14, 2011.
But DD/MM/YY makes sense in that it moves from smallest unit to largest...
(and bump. ;p)
Actually, we should all write
YYYYMMDD In my opinion
But then, I'm a programmer and I like to be able to sort quickly (based on an integer) -
It's still a definition, and a well used one at that, even if you seem to think that it's not.
It's also not ambiguous. The majority of people I've seen complaining knew exactly what they meant, they're just upset about it that it's happening the way it is.
However, if you want to believe that it was false advertising, or misleading advertising, then you go right ahead. It wasn't, but you just keep on believing it.
Do you not understand the definition of ambiguous?
"capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways"
It is entirely ambiguous... You're saying that there are multiple definitions but it's not ambiguous? Which is a total contradiction...
You also never addressed the fact that this claim from them still stands... that you have a possibility of playing 5 days early if you preorder today ... certainly you don't believe that do you?
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Interesting that you conveniently left out some of the definitions.
ALSO from Merriam Webster:
"used to indicate possibility or probability <you may be right> <things you may need> ; sometimes used interchangeably with can <one of those slipups that may happen from time to time — Jessica Mitford> ; sometimes used where might would be expected <you may think from a little distance that the country was solid woods — Robert Frost>"
So, you MAY be able to play up to 5 days can also mean you MIGHT be able to play up to 5 days.
I'm not sure why you decided to leave out an entire part of the definition of the word. Did you think that I may not know what I am talking about?
That definition is the least used and you've only further proved my point that it's misleading especially considering the most used and common colloquial definition ...
AKA AMBIGUOUS (like I've been stating all along)
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EVERYONE?
I'm not mad.
Guess I am not included in EVERYONE.
I'm going to go cry now that I know I don't exist.
I should have stated that everyone, in this case == sum of people currently complaining / are mad
No need to cry any more, go back to being happy and waiting
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You MAY play UP TO five days early. Important parts all-capped. Hence, you may NOT play up to five days early. You may only get to play one day early.
If you assumed that it meant you were getting five days of early access, that's not Bioware's fault. That's your own fault for assuming that.
And in your example, you need to put it in the same context. If the bathroom is small, and there are a large amount of people that need to use it, and you were controlling access to the bathroom, letting the first people in line in first, then I'd have to wait. I don't get to go in now, or when I want. I have to wait till it's my turn, based on my spot in line.
Here's the thing, though. You can say, "You'll be in, in three hours" and I'd be fine. But, what if the people in front of me had to spend extra time in there? That throws your estimate off. Now, I'm told I need to wait four and a half hours! That's why people will complain, no matter what.
*edit* And yes, there is a difference between may and might. But it's also not a will. It didn't say you WILL play up to five days, it was you MAY play up to five days. That makes may and might a lot closer, when you compare it to will.
The definition (Merriam-Webster) of may:
a) have the ability to
b) have permission to
If you state that you MAY do something it means that you CAN do it (in fact Merriam Webster says they are interchangeable as well).
I'm not saying that you can't interpret it the way you are stating I'm saying that the more correct and more common colloquial interpretation is that you are granted access for up to 5 days (at your discretion). In all marketing materials there are no other conditions placed on that verbiage.
Additionally the site STILL reads the same way; which I now believe to be faulty advertising. If you pre-order TODAY you do not have the ability to gain up to 5 days early access... probably more like ONE day of early access... therefor it is certainly faulty advertising at this point...
SO my actual argument here is that this is purposefully misleading advertising... and it really is, I don't think anyone can argue against that.
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^^ In other words...
There is a big difference between the words MIGHT and MAY
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It might. It may cut out a small percentage of the complaining. However, people would still be complaining that there is even a need for staggered access, which is seems is what the majority of complaints is about.
Which, again, is funny, since that has been known about for QUITE a while, and there really wasn't much of a complaint about it then.
People feel that they are entitled to early access. What they don't understand is that it did NOT have to be offered. Official launch is the 20th. This is just a bonus for those that pre-ordered. They didn't have to give it to anybody. People need to stop feeling like they are owed something.
Actually, for those that purchased based on the email that we were sent at the end of T-day beta we ARE entitled. Their promotion material clearly states:
"Pre-Order Now, You may play up to five days early"
Which is ambiguous in itself and read to me (when I clicked the link to preorder) like I was being given 5 days early access...
If I told you, "You may go to the bathroom up to 5 hours from now" would you not assume you could go any time between now and the next 5 hours?
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I believe it comes down to the fact that people will still try to figure out when they will get in, and would complain if their estimate is off.
"You said wave 1 was through July 30th! That means I should have been in wave 3! But I wasn't!! You suck, Bioware!! I'm cancelling my pre-order and I'm going to sit in the corner and cry!!"
But everyone is complaining now...
Would it not at least cut down on SOME of the complaining? I see that as a step in the right direction...
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Scheduling date ranges in advance and just telling what date ranges a wave spans is two different things. I simply do not see what would go wrong with saying, "We just let in wave #2 which takes us through midday on July 30th."
Exactly and that's what I broke my original post into two parts. What they should absolutely just tell us and what they would preferably tell us
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They said on twitter people will be mad if the dates they post are wrong so they are not going to post dates.
So instead they opt to leave EVERYONE mad all at the same time...
Why can they not see it's at least an improvement over what they are doing now?
Why are they so unwilling to take steps in the right direction and instead opt to keep EVERYONE aggravated and in the dark?
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Most people are saying this. However, most people would STILL complain, even if they had that "SUBJECT TO CHANGE!" on the email.
People KNEW there was going to be staggered access to early access, yet they are STILL complaining that there is staggered access! You think they'd be quiet if the date they were "promised" didn't come through?
I don't think anyone would have more of a problem with this than they would not knowing at all... we could all at least stop spamming the new mail button on our inboxes and hanging out posting rage posts
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I think yesterday they had a bonus wave. Not having a set time frame allows for them to make adjustments on the fly, maybe things are good and they can add a bonus wave. Or maybe they are having issues and need to hault things, they gotta stay flexible.
These things are not mutually exclusive at all.
If you say, "Here's the waves, here's the dates they span" then we'd know an order.
We'd know they plan to do up to Aug 30th today (or whatever). We'd know who is getting in on what wave and we'd know if there's a delay it would be up to Aug 20th and if there was a bonus wave they'd be up to Sept 10th...
Obviously just throwing out some random dates here but...
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because then if anything goes wrong they will have even more complaints and if things go well they look like heroes.
I don't think they'd have more complaints than they do now, tbh.
I think people would much rather have a ballpark range than nothing at all
But then, I'm a programmer and I like to be able to sort quickly (based on an integer) 
This que is horrible
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Mmmmm that was because those first games you mention were Black Isle... too bad they are no more
Bioware is definitely a noob to the MMO scene