this .... and also the patch notes and dev notes and info was out there for like a month plus on this all happening /shrug

patch notes and dev notes on 2.0 for past month would have cleared tha tup for you sorry

lolz .......... ding ding ding ... you win a prize ... after the ilum valor fiasco ... and other things you are 100% correct they do not have the backbone will or finacial short term thinking desire to do anything about it

well yes lets all just save our FP experience to infinity for over a year while we wait for next expanion that might have more content and 10 new levels .. so we can all just insta cap on the next expansion ... see where its going ?? or do you not get it at all ... its bad for SWTORs image to the rest of the gaming world .. but alas you prolly will still not grapple that idea

also i see you edited so ill reply to last half of what you added above me .. the rest is below ... its not players did not figure out how ... most of us want to play game as intended and not be like a console game or solo game where you can just grant yourself certain things that are not intended -------- not mad about it ... as i already pointed out earlier in the thread im going to enjoy the new content at my own pace anyway as intended and envisioned by the devs ... but exploiting in games is generally frowned upon in mmo gaming since i started playing mmos in 1997 and as pointed out in the devs own words in this thread there had to be an exploit somewhere to get the 3 million XP it also reflects bad on SWTOR in the broader general mmo gaming community ... when this gets out people that may have tried it will hear things like .." what a joke did you hear 12 mins after the new 2.0 was released that had level capped players?" this is not good for the image of swtor or the devs but as i also stated earlier in the thread bioware / EA will do nothing about it as usual even though its really a bad business decision not to hand out some time outs and resets to 50's .. handing out those suspensions and rollbacks to 50 would get around the general gaming community that do not play swtor and people would be like ... i like that they seem to have a handle on that game i might try it... VS. did you hear a few minutes after launching new ocntent people level capped in that game LOLZ

if they did intend it ... wow that doesnt say much for the dev team

do you want a cookie becuase you found an exploit of the mission and quest resets they did to prevent this? you only are suppose to have in any event without the resets ... 30 quests in your journal and 5 in the pending area its a clear unintended exploit used that the devs did not forsee .. if they did see it coming and did nothing to stop it then they will be laughing stocks to other mmo devs / companies and gamers alike ... not good punlicity for a game i would like to see garner triple the sub rate it has now clearly was not intended by devs .... CourtneyWoods's Avatar CourtneyWoods Old Today , 06:09 AM | #1 This is the last staff post in this thread. Report Post Quote Due to Game Update 2.0: Scum and Villainy and Rise of the Hutt Cartel creating new versions or replacing missions (such as PvP, [DAILY], and [WEEKLY] missions), you may find that your Mission Log has been altered or that missions you had completed before the patch but did not turn in have been reset or cleared. Courtney Woods | Community Production Specialist Follow us on Twitter @SWTOR | Like us on Facebook [Contact Us] [Rules of Conduct] [F.A.Q.] but rejoice your lucky ... bioware and EA will not rollback or hand out any "timeouts " they just want your money

really ???? 55's in 15 mins? even 30 mins ??? Working under the impression this is not a troll post and i hope you would not OP.... IM so dissappointed in bioware / ea right now it really makes them look bad and the leveling process trivial but alas it will not detract from my own enjoyment by playing the content correctly ... but this will leak out to general gaming comunnity and be looked at as a joke of an expansion if true its just sick that devs could allow a major ummmm exploit like this to happen ... but if the way they handled the ILUM valor fiasco is any barometer of how this will go .. nothing will happen ... they dont have the b^%$ls to ban or roll back anything even when using this clear of an exploit of the system in a way not intended

well it all comes down to playstyle i guess ... but in this build i can one v one all classes except operative/scoundrel (unless i have all my cooldowns up then maybe win a few sometimes but they are the counter to sniper / gs )... and it is the most effective for node protecting i have used including the two you listed ... this build will never put you at the top of the chart s but it will help your team to win more than the other two builds .. defense verses offensive mindset i guess is our paradigm difference on this ... yhe talents taken are fare more effective defensively than what offensive output you lose against several other classes youll have knocking at your door ... imho all sniper/GS builds of any count are smash monkey destroyers becuase its the rock paper scissor counter class to smash monkeys ... if your having a hard time with smash monleys in any sniper / GS build your just doing it wrong plain and simple

yeah that sucks as ive been playing live so not to spoil 2.0 for myself but eventually ill figure out the new best build to achieve this playstyle and post it

TO start im not trying to change your mind on your build .. as everyone has differnet playstyles and may be able to be more effective for the team playing the style they prefer ... with that said some counters to your points ... I stand by my asserton this is the the tankiest Sniper you can build and longest lasting in a 1v1 and when paired with a scoundrel healer protecting a node is almost godmode Ive never found the 31 point cap skill in sab ( IG ) to be super effective in PvP particulary Rated ... Everyone just simply moves out of it for a few seconds then continues on .. no one just stands in the fire .. the only halfway effective thing to be done with it in PvP is against other snipers/GS sine they may be in cover but thats really it so its just not a needed capstone IMHO DIVERSION and LEGSHOT are critical to this build DIVERSION is so much better guarding a node than a 2 sec stun and Legshotting 2 toons on way to node becuase of decreased timers is sweet SIEGE BUNKER ... hmmm .... if your letting a smash monkey get to melee range on you anyway your doing it wrong /shrug - since sniper / slinger is the rock/paper/scissor class to counter smash monkeys by game design pretty mucc amy nuild should handle smash monkeys one on one but it all still depends on what your playestyle with your sniper / GS is .... if your more offensive hunter minded this is not a build for you ... if you enjoy defensive stands and being the best GS/sniper node protector you can build .. this build is for you

Ive never found the 31 point cap skill in sab ( IG ) to be super effective in PvP particulary Rated ... Everyone just simply moves out of it for a few seconds then continues on .. no one just stands in the fire .. the only halfway effective thing to be done with it in PvP is against other snipers/GS sine they may be in cover but thats really it so its just not a needed capstone IMHO as far as the things you point out that smash monkets ignore in this build other classes do not ignore them and they are very effective in surviving and staying on the field of battle longer Also, if your letting a smash monkey get to melee range on you anyway your doing it wrong /shrug - since sniper / slinger is the rock/paper/scissor class to counter smash monkeys by game design but it all still depends on what your playestyle with your sniper / GS is .... if your more offensive hunter minded this is not a build for you ... if you enjoy defensive stands and being the best GS/sniper node protector you can build .. this build is for you

Reserved to post the order to take things in as you level when I get time in order to study the 2.0 changes and come with a build that does the same thing if possible in 2.0

I posted this on gunslinger forum and figured some of you on the empire side might find it of use as well.... If you know what a Pill Bunker is you already understand the premise of the build. I searched a lot to make sure no one else had advocated this build in the past and was unable to find any. If I missed it I would like to give credit though if its out there ... Albeit I came to this build on my own in my search to do want I wanted my GS to be able to accomplish. PvE as well I DO NOT respec for PvE as I find this build a lot of fun in PvE as well ... Unless your HM ops group makes you change ... But I would try to find one that let's you roll with it since all content can be cleared in this spec. What this build is not: a top WZ damage dealer so if not being top damage will hurt your ego then this is not a build for you ! What this build is: a defensive monster that will be the bane of all smash monkeys in addition to a scary surprise for anyone deciding to one on one you thinking your just one of the many bad slingers out there. They will immediately discover there is something different about this slinger as the panic sets in when they realize they bit off more than they could chew. a TANKY DEFENSIVE build that still has sneaky burst albeit nothing like some other builds .... BUT .... The TANKY defensive posture allows you to hang in there much longer thus IMHO putting out still respectable damage to groups and single targets as well as being a great WZ node guard until help arrives - paired with operative healer is almost god mode node protection Worst Warzone for this build is huttball but the rest are great if your a defensive minded player... Note: this is not a build for beginners or anyone not able to play your 15 plus hotkeys like a concert pianist ... Just a fact ... Many will find this play style extremely tedious and you will rarely be at the top of any Warzone but you WILL help you team to win more than the guy at the top of the charts. One more time - if you do not know how to use 15 plus hotkeys effectively do not attempt as you will completely and utterly fail The Pill Bunker: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#700RcMMzZbIMroRbRrZh.2 11/27/3 Again it takes a certain player to use this build but IMHO it is by far the hardest to kill gunslinger you can build... And is a destroyer of smash monkeys Note: please when using this build give credit to its source

Reserved to post the order to take things in as you level when I get time in order to study the 2.0 changes and come with a build that does the same thing if possible in 2.0

If you know what a Pill Bunker is you already understand the premise of the build. I searched a lot to make sure no one else had advocated this build in the past and was unable to find any. If I missed it I would like to give credit though if its out there ... Albeit I came to this build on my own in my search to do want I wanted my GS to be able to accomplish. PvE as well I DO NOT respec for PvE as I find this build a lot of fun in PvE as well ... Unless your HM ops group makes you change ... But I would try to find one that let's you roll with it since all content can be cleared in this spec What this build is not: a top WZ damage dealer so if not being top damage will hurt your ego then this is not a build for you ! What this build is: a defensive monster that will be the bane of all smash monkeys in addition to a scary surprise for anyone deciding to one on one you thinking your just one of the many bad slingers out there. They will immediately discover there is something different about this slinger as the panic sets in when they realize they bit off more than they could chew. a TANKY DEFENSIVE build that still has sneaky burst albeit nothing like some other builds .... BUT .... The TANKY defensive posture allows you to hang in there much longer thus IMHO putting out still respectable damage to groups and single targets as well as being a great WZ node guard until help arrives - paired with operative healer is almost god mode node protection Worst Warzone for this build is huttball but the rest are great if your a defensive minded player... Note: this is not a build for beginners or anyone not able to play your 15 plus hotkeys like a concert pianist ... Just a fact ... Many will find this play style extremely tedious and you will rarely be at the top of any Warzone but you WILL help you team to win more than the guy at the top of the chart. One more time - if you do not know how to use 15 plus hotkeys effectively do not attempt as you will completely and utterly fail The Pill Bunker: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#700RcMMzZbIMroRbRrZh.2 11/27/3 Again it takes a certain player to use this build but IMHO it is by far the hardest to kill gunslinger you can build... And is a destroyer of smash monkeys Note: please when using this build give credit to its source

After 2.0 this goes away for BIS stuff ... Crafters get shaft

Yes it does suck Cost us the game for first the other day

This .....

Oh I'm for sure playing to til 50 and beyond I just feel useless a lot times so far in PvP as compared to leveling my DPS classes ... I'm sure it will get easier I just am wondering what specifically I can do with the limited rotations I have available and some specific strategies for leveling pure sawbones in PvP only

You should have seen the battle master grind we went through at launch ... I was one of first battle masters on Jung Ma and it was way way way more tedious than it is now ... I think it's fine as is now IMHO ... Can't make it to easy or there is zero sense of accomplishment but rather entitlement p Take it with grain of salt

I originally put this in the scoundrel section but its more than likely better suited for PvP section... I have played MMO's since 1996 ( yes I'm old heh ). I have ALWAYS solely played DPS classes. I am going to remedy this by playing a tank and healer over the next year solely ... I'm starting with a Scoundrel Sawbones first. I want to level it solely as a healer in PvP all the way even though most people seem to advise DPS tree til later but I really want to get all the healing experience in I can from the start. As an aside I am fairly good hot key PvP player with good reaction time. However my scoundrel is now level 20 and have leveled almost completely in PvP and I seem to be having the hardest time with medals and for sure staying alive I'm pretty sure I've not won any 1v1 yet unless you count the times they moved on to something else from not being able to kill me ( draw maybe ?) The rotation has me confused am not sure sometimes when to DPS vs heal or even where to put my points to stay true to leveling full sawbones and learning to be a great healer and asset for a team... At the moment it seems I spend half my time healing myself vs others in Warzones from focus fire sometimes which I understand will happen but sometimes I feel I don't even deserve the MVP votes I get since a huge amount of healing was just me healing myself to try to stay in the fight .... I'm kinda bummed at what I feel is lackluster performance thus far and any direction and guidance would be greatly appreciated... I know I can be a great healer but getting there has been rough going so far Regards

I have played MMO's since 1996 ( yes I'm old heh ). I have ALWAYS solely played DPS classes. I am going to remedy this by playing a tank and healer over he next year solely ... I'm starting with a Scoundrel Sawbones first. I want to level it solely as a healer all the way even though most people seem to advise DPS tree til later but I really want to get all the healing experience in I can from the start. As an aside I am fairly good hot key PvP player with good reaction time. However my scoundrel is now level 20 and have leveled almost completely in PvP and I seem to be having the hardest time with medals and for sure staying alive I'm pretty sure I've not won any 1v1 yet unless you count the times they moved on to something else from not being able to kill me ( draw maybe ?) The rotation has me confused am not sure sometimes when to DPS vs heal or even where to put my points to stay true to leveling full sawbones and learning to be a great healer and asset for a team... At he moment it seems I spend half my time healing myself vs others in Warzones from focus fire sometimes which I understand will happen but sometimes I feel I don't even deserve the MVP votes I get since a huge amount of healing was just me healing myself to try to stay in the fight .... I'm kinda bummed at what I feel is lackluster performance thus far and any direction and guidance would be greatly appreciated... I know I can be a great healer but getting there has been rough going so far Regards

I agree with only one thing about this post... 2.0 is bad for crafters really bad since they will be MAKING crafters raid for BIS items which is terrible design to not allow crafters to make any BIS items any longer However for 1-54 it is ridiculously easy to gather and mission everything you need to craft greens and blues for yourself as you level and what ever purples you get for yourself is a bonus on the way up to 55 If you take the three crew skills that compliment each other there is no problems having blues waiting for you as you level If you keep a stable of alts close together as you level you can craft pretty much everything you need in blues as you level which is more than enough to level with period and any purples you get is a bonus At end game you can RE til your hearts content for specific purples if you wish but they are simply not even needed while leveling The only thing as I said that 2.0 will destroy is the ability of crafters to create any BIS items and if you desire them then you MUST raid which as I stated is a mistake a pis-poor design flaw that the deva will end up regretting as it will piss crafters off and people who like to play and never set foot in the hardest raids in games which I am pretty sure makes up a giant portion of the player base in relation to hardcore raiders

Set bonuses? For PvP ? Maybe