Well when you are on the imp side and your team can't put any pressure on anything and after the round is over 4 of the 8 have 150k dps and no healing. I feel like I am doing pretty good. 9 times out of 10 I have the highest obj points. I am not a SB whore. All I care about is did we win yes or no. Sometimes that means I do 500-600k dps and heal very little. Sometimes it's taking the off node which of course lowers dps because I am not mashing dps blindly then thinking I did well. Sometimes in hutball I do less than 100k dps but have 14k obj points because I am stunning flashbanging and rolling just trying to stay alive with the ball because no one goes a head for a pass and I have to solo all 6 points. Like I said numbers mean nothing at the end of the game. Did we win yes or no. If you only have 150k dps at the end of the round died 12 times and have 0 obj points then yes those 4 are doing something wrong.

Ok, however his answer is still pointless considering the question I posed that he quoted.

I don't even understand this guys point. I would assume every melee class would suffer from the aoe CC the most.

I have to agree with that as well.

Just came back to the game and I am really not a mid/max guy even tho I love pvp. So great now I have to take all these mods out and go with a lower set. Man that is stupid.

Thanks for all the help. One other question... What is with bolster? I was at 2018 exp then I put all lvl 55 172 mods in my gear and I now have 1728 and less hit points than my friend even tho I have 15k more hitpoints than him outside of pvp matches. Bolster...sigh...

I don't have the 57 abl, however is that saying every tick of corrosive dart volatile will proc? Am I wasting time putting on my dot? I do all the time now.

just internet trolls. like 5'5 kids that weigh less than 100 pounds finally get to be the "bully" lol. To much pent up rage. Anyway, I see what you are saying I just don't have that 56 or 57 abl yet. I can handle single target CC well never really an issue. it's just all that aoe cc then single target on top of it.

As a follow up I do not see a guild at that forum post provided. It looks like he meant for the link to be embedded in the word Exfiltrate, but there is no link.

Thanks to you both. Any help is always welcome.

I guess that's the life of a melee and why (it feels like 80%) of everyone is a ranged class.

Ops, I see why you see all these sages around. I'm 55 atm. maybe it gets better. My dps is good 300-400k+ most pvp matches(prol not great, but good I would think). I off heal as much as possible, usually have around 200-300k. Once I get in range it is just aoe cc to the max then single target to contend with

AOE slows AOE pushbacks and root I am sure I am still missing something

Are they ever going to tone down the massive amounts of AOE CC in this game? Whatever I guess, maybe I am the only one that gets frustrated.

Honestly they are (imo) just going to make as much as they can with Star Wars Battlefront coming out. Pvper's will move on very fast.

I have heard the GW2 pvp reference a lot and let me tell you anyone that really thinks they are even in the same ballpark doesn't understand open world pvp. I went back and played GW2 this weekend just to see and compare because I had heard this comment over and over. Let me just say no way in hell does gw2 WvW hold a candle to ESO AvA. Even at GW2 launch the WvW doesn't hold candle to ESO AvA if you were looking at just "players in the zone". The only comparable AvA, (and lets get real) any real comparison to ESO AvA is DAOC RvR. Even if you hate both games or love both games. That is the only game you can compare it too. They are about 85-90% the same type of feel. PVE: They did talk about a week ago about the first major patch a month"ish" after launch being a big PVE patch for the raid guys etc. I am not into all that and I am not sure what they mean by that, but they need to not forget about the people that like raiding etc for sure.

This made me really ROFL. Great post.

Totally agree, I think the OP, was just trying to show the scale of what fights can be with very little to no lag at all. Even running recording software in that big of keep siege.

R v Door? That was Warhammer. You can shell every wall down on the keep if you so desire. You can go 1v1 reinforcements if you want. you can group up and take on the back side of the zerg splitting their lines. I just might love open world to much lol. People that are used to stand in X spot Q for WZ or BG I do not think understand open world very well. Unfor. the games over the last few years have mostly all been that way.

The world on the pve side changes based on what you pick. There will be "Choices" that are outlined in Red and depending on what you pick the next quest is different. Not every quest is like that you have your generic quests too. I was 10+ and the game really began evolving. I would say below lvl 8 your critic on quests are right on. I hope you can play the game on max everything in the pvp side and see on an open beta that the graphics are really really something to behold. Trying to run away in pvp being chased my 10 people and the sun pops up over a mountain and rays from the sun light up the trees and shadows of branches fill the ground. etc. Man I didn't realize how much fun I had in this game till I find myself defending it lol. I hope no matter what game any of you decide to play you find it as fun as I have found this game. : ) /love fest off. lol

I was waiting for this too, however ESO has dungeons, caves, and loads to explore on the pvp map. The pvp map isn't just castles it's its own pvp style server with quests and lot of pve to do if you go that route too the map is massive. However, you will always be looking over your shoulder too. Like DAOC was, you get the bonus xp for pve'n in the pvp zone, but don't gripe if you get picked off from behind because you were not scouting the area. : ) Risk and reward you get to pick how you want to play. : )

^^This (100% agree). To say GW2 and ESO are the same is almost a joke (another poster brought this up) what because they both have castles? It's like saying SWG and SWTOR are the same because of outer space. Map size alone ESO makes it like DAOC huge map and lots of fun.The game play is sooo vastly different from GW2. People have not even scratched the surface of what combat can be in the ESO game. People underestimate the value all those weps and different spec can bring to EVERY class. In SWTOR it is just like the poster said. Engage Class in pvp and wait for said class to use an abl then counter with the same abl every time that you have keybound in the same place everytime. ESO you have no idea what wep they have or can switch too. Maybe they have all wep skills on one bar and a host of magic on the other maybe they can do both on both builds. You have no idea what to counter so you are really on your toes the whole fight. You can counter, you just might be pressing 1,2 or 3 to counter or rolling or dodging and you have to think on the fly. Maybe the counter to the move is on your second hotbar and you have to switch weps to counter. The skill is can you think and move and react on the fly and that lacks big time in any other mmo at the present time. (again imo of course) Want to Zerg it up? Zerg it up! Want to group and 4 man with your buddies? 4 man it up! Want to solo? Solo away too. How do you feel like playing today? Q'n for the same thing over and over or playing in a completely dynamic environment. to each their own. : )

This will be so much fun. Wont have to depend on WZ Q's starting with 3/4 a team, plus people going afk so you are down 7v8 the whole time if not more. Or people doing only 50k damage as dps even tho they were "trying the best they could". I can not wait. So excited for this. But of course I am old school DAOC player so I'm very glad to see real pvp again. (at least to me)

Agreed the imps on this server are horrid. I just came back to the game a month or so ago on my shadow and just thought man I haven't missed a beat, I am still pretty good at pvp. ... Then I went over and played imps on the same server and realized while I might be better than average everyone looks good playing against the "stupid". lol

Why don't you ask the guy that posted it? Or can you not read well either? Try not to suck as a troll too please. If you really are trying to argue "2 buttons" really please... I mean we know you are a bad troll and all, however if you really think any instant aoe abl should be able to hit like that (the other guy said 9.5) but I'll say 8k because I have seen that all the time then you should be on the dev team because "balance" means the same to you as it does to them. Geared or not geared 4-5k is the max that abl should go off for on a crit. A INSTANT aoe and it is instant (no cast time) should never be able to do that if you expect balance. If you think oh because you need 3 global cool downs to take 40% of everyone's life in a area and want to argue the "instant" quote please do yourself a favor and stop trying to think for yourself. 2 Players that know how to play the smash class well can control an entire match. Now throw in the smash trolls that think they know how to play and there you go. Single target let them hit hard, AOE tone it down. But we know you don't care because you want to troll.