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Everyone says premades have an advantage because of voice chat... And they do "if" they use it.
But let me tell you, most don't use it or don't use it for that. If they are in regs in a premade they are mostly talking s*it to each other. The only premades on voice that I know of that use it to coordinate and take it seriously are the mid skilled teir players who are still learning.
I run guild premade, random premades and I never use voice chat. But because I play with people who have as much skill or more than me we have an advantage because we actually know what we are doing. We know more advanced tactics, we aren't sheep, we know all our class abilities and the other classes, we know how to all focus a target, how to prioritise targets, can read a map and lastly have situational awareness.
We could all queue solo and get on the same team and it would be no different to us in a premade. Even getting grouped with multiple skilled players is a defacto Premade.
The only way to counter premades in pugs is to get better as more skilled player will always beat you in they are together, they don't need groups to do it.
Myself and many others had to grind match after match against much better players till we got better. It's actually playing with and against these guys that you learn. Watch what they do, follow their instructions, don't argue with them when they suggest an alternative tactic that is different to what all the sheep use. Also watch how they global you, did that happen because they all focused you at once or because you were out of position. Are they doing it because you don't know how to counter that class because you don't know the class abilities.
If people actually did as much research online as they do whining about premades, they may actually learn something to make them better players.
Lastly, try and befriend some of these better players. Ask for advice or even see if you can join a PVP orientated guild that can teach you or help you hone your skills.
Even if you are in a social or mixed guild, try and organise your PVP guys to practice dual on your guild ships while you wait for PVP pops. Being able to 1v1 can help you learn your class better, but also give you an insight into the other classes you face.
Are you really that bad that you need to be carried by your team? Afraid of fair games?
Voice chat is a huge advanatge and if you say the groups are only talking trash I say that you are intentionally lying to make it look harmless. I have yet to meet a real premade that does not use voicechat. They will call incommigs, call target switches, tell teammates when to interruppt or CC the healer. You want an unfair game in your favor if you queue as a group. It simply does not matter if 4 players in your team are undergeared or bad as long as there are also bad players on the other team. You try to stack the odds in your favor that is the only reason to do "random premades" as you say. If you have 8 fully gearead good players and 8 bad players in the queue but 4 of the good players are in your premade you will end with 6 good and 2 bad palyers against 2 good and 6 bad players? Are those the odds you need to win?
You say that the queues are to empty to support a real single player queue -> did the idea that the groups and the unbalanced matches might be the reason why the queues are so empty ever cross you mind?
If am PVPing in this game since day one, have all advanced classes at least in one faction on 65 and do pvp with all of them. I stopped grouping in PVP for several reason: The main reason was that the matches were simply boring if we queued with a full group we won at least 19 out of 20 matches and in most cases those matches were totally onesided.
The cross faction BG without groups like it was in the last week was the most fun I had in a long time because the battlegrounds were fair and most matches at least interesting. Personal skill did matter and a single player could decide a match. If you need your group with healer and tank to win it might be you that needs to improve. Cross faction single player only queue with player randomisation to make sincing useless is the way to go for fun and interesting matches.
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I have a 50 SI Sorcerer, and I often feel overpowered. I can pretty much escape any situation, and I have 3 heals I can cast while moving. I also have an AOE KB snare, a 3 second stun, a casting interupt (8 sec CD), a speed boost, a 50% slow instacast (8 sec CD)a long duration CC (whirlwind), and a 3 sec AOE stun (backlash). I pretty much dominate every WZ I join, unless the other team has 2 very good melee dps classes that seek me out, constantly.
And that 2.5 sec Dark Infusion (large) is actually a 1.2 sec large heal that I can cast twice in a row (after resurgence). Of course, they are nerfing that in 1.2, which should help reduce survivability a little bit. However, an almost guaranteed crit Dark Heal followed by Innervate should still work well.
Yeah right you have a sorceror but you obviously don`t know the skills. Noone really playing a sorc would have made the mistakes you did... I count 5 errors in your list.
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Currently healers are simply unbeatable as a solo melee class.... MIANLY sages/sorcers that have that channeled heal that gives ridiculous amounts of health back, can knockback, bubble and 10 other defensive ways
Please list all 10 defensive ways of healers not including bubble and knockback...
or are you just making stuff up?
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Probably because I've played with them over multiple games. Also I have RL friends in the same guilds I've played throughout my gaming career ... you know because real friends can *gasp* have the same interest as you. What a shocker right?
Again it's sad you don't consider your guild mates your friends. Probably because of your award winning personality, the constant nerf cries and the fact that you would probably sell out your guild mate for the next piece of epic. It's a sad state of affairs to what mmo's have become allowing gamers to become gear chasing monkeys.
That's more that you will ever provide
.Again your delusional, you never gave your name, guild name or server.
So you are obviously trolling and selectively reading only what fits you best ...way to go. First post on page 5 I gave you my name and Server. What about actually reading before posting false accusation ... well you will probably just ignore this fact and come up with some "probable" conclusion of how sell out my guild mates because my definition of friendship differs from yours.
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It's sad you don't consider your guild mates your friends. Probably because you don't have a premade and this is another whine thread about them disguised to look like something else.
Can you give me any logical reason why the fact that I do not consider some people with the same tag over the head of a virtual toon as my friends makes you come to this conclusion? Friendship is way more then playing the same game at the same time.
Also about my signature bragging about my acheivements, I guess you could call rank 60 an acheivement or *gasp* playing a sage
. Most won't though. My name is in my sig because I'm not some anonymous coward hiding behind the internet veil So ginving me the name a virtual toon on an internet server makes you what excatly? There is no more internet veil now?
Like I said, I'm all for the segregation of premades and pugs, and I'm all for rated warfronts. But your hate towards premades is borderline psychopathic, distorting your reading compression and forcing you to lie. Don't worry, It'll be better in 1.2, we promise.
So I gave you my name and the chance to look me up and see that I told the truth and instead of doing this you call me a borderline psychopathic liar. Probably much easier then to actually say something with regards to content of my post.
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I'm guessing you don't play in a premade ... seeing as you don't bother to put your guild name or toon names in your signature. And although you mention your premade a few too many times in your post, you're over acting, making me not believe you.
Here's the reason premades play together (the real ones):
It's not because we get to:
1) Faceroll pugs
2) Get gear
3) Show off our enormous e-peen
4) Do silly thing to said pugs
These are just the bonuses. The real reason that premades play together .... (wait for it) ... because they want to have fun playing with their friends. Shocking I know. The reason mmo players play a game is to have fun in a social environment. Weird right? Most people chase the gear and make whiny threads when said gear can't be acquired.
With that said your argument makes no sense and screams of a kid who has been man handled many times by premades. Competitive premades want good games. We would rather have 1 good game over 100 facerolls. Most of use have the gear and valour. We want the competition.
Hence why we're all looking forward to rated warfronts.
The sad part is that you probably actually believe that those people are your friends and that sitting in front a PC is in any way social.
You are having fun with your friends by:
1) Faceroll pugs
2) Get gear
3) Show off our enormous e-peen
4) Do silly thing to said pugs
Talking about E-Peen and the fact that you do not believe me: Perhaps I am simply old enough and my real peen is long enough that I do not need to have a signature bragging about my online achivements. Just to prove you wrong: Name is Thanos on "The Jedi Tower" euro server. I am online almost every night. Feel free to come by and inspect me and talk to me online.
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You said it yourself. So you are playing for gear not for the pleasure of PvP'ing.
Where did I say this?
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And I'm not even a hardcore PvP player, nor from the top PvP guilds from my server. I'm just a rank 57 over-average player out there making a name for himself in warzones on the server I play in.
Rank 65+ players are laughing their backdoors when reading the ******** you and all the other PvE players are writing on these PvP forums.
I am one of those 65+ players...
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Same goes for real life my friend.
The more time you put into your work, the more benefits you get from it. Do you expect getting a promotion without putting hard work in it ? As a student, do you expect getting A's all over without the effort that the so called "nerds" and "lab rats" are putting into it ?!? Is there any issue here ?! You aren't making any point.
And yeah I don't play 24/7. I play 3 hours a day week-days, and 4-5 hours a day weekends. I got more important things than games to attend to in the rest of the time. But when I play, i don't beg for everything to be handed to me on a silver plate.
What has playing games with fair odds to do with getting everything on a silver tablet? You still need hundereds of games to make BM and then a few more weeks to get the full set. Noone is talking about handing out anything to the players just about making the game as enjoyable as possible to keep the people playing.
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I am going to play Devils Advocate, mostly because it is something i am good at.
What do you have to say about a Pre-made of Close friends who band together, are fresh 50's and are now going aginst a pre-made of BM Geared People. It is Pre-made vs pre-made but also completly unfair. You would penalize people want to group together but are not geared.
Are you also going to have a match making system to compare gear? What happens when the player pool to get matched with full BM gear is not available? Does that mean that the BM geared group will be forced to play against a Centurion geared group? Again a little bit more fair but not completly.
The point that i am trying to make with my second statement is this, We all know there are more Imp players. So naturally there would be a larger pool of higher geared people. If you were to have a match making system based on gear then you will have two options.
A) have the BM team wait until another similar team is available to play
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B) match them up against another weaker team so they get to play and not stand around waiting.
I bet you if you fell into category A you would be pissed as the team waiting on the long queue and also and the lesser geared team in category B.
Either way your back to square one.
In a cases like this it might actually be better to solo for the first 2 weeks till you have the gear to compete.
A matchmiaking system that also takes the gear into account would be nice but until we have merged servers for PvP this kind of thing will not work because of the queue times.
After all, it is something different if you group up and know you will fight other groups.
At least you have the the option to solo queue and not meet premades
Right now you solo queue and do not have the option to avoid premades.
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What MMO were you playing 15 years ago my friend ?!?! Were you even born back then ?
You are ridiculous. I will answer you even if you don't know a thing about football obviously since you came up with this stupid question. More than 10 million for each team in that situation. Examples ? Fc Porto in the past few years, FC Bayern Munchen, FC Barcelona of the last 3 seasons , Rangers and Celtic Glasgow over the past few years before Rangers bankrupted, Inter Milano 2006-2007, FC Olimpique Lyon with Juninho winning 7 years in a row the championship.
You brought to discussion a phenomenon like Football that one such as you will never understand.
Bottom line. Either:
1) Accept your sub-mediocrity
2) Stop the crying and start investing more time in the game, play over 500 warzones like most of us are doing, and try to actually learn something from this experience, and maybe just maybe you'll be better at it.
3) Continue PvE, cause obviously PvP is a big hat for you.
You compare top football teams to PUGs? As soon as there is a ranked system some groups will be better then other and there might even be a few groups dominating like the mentioned teams. Even in football there is a contest otherwise the same team would win the champions leauge each year.
What makes you think he is sub-medicore? Are you afraid of having a real competition and not being able to farm kindergarden teams any more? Does your ego really need those easy wins? If PvP was your big "hat" you would actually promote premades vs premades and not this lopsided pickup group stomping.
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Hmmmm... In Germany the football team with the most fans is the FC Bayern. They usually win. So the answer is: many.
Bayern is not even on place one of the bundeliga right now so there seems to be some competition. In pug vs. premade there is none.
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Cmon are these guys for real ?!
I see one guy saying that :
People pay the same amount of money to play. That is why everyone need to play the same game.
Bro let me light it up for you just in case this is your first mmo. Accept that there are some other guys out there that are also paying, and have a lot more skills than you'll ever have in PvP. Why ? Because that's everything they are doing, and they like it. They've been doing it since day 1 from 10 years ago.
Win after win they get what they deserve for the time they are wasting into this game, and the x other games they've been PvPing in.
Of course there are players that are better then others and for me this is even more reason to evenly ditribute those players.
You can show your superior skills in premades as soon as there are ranked warzones, but right now it is simply unfair to form groups of superior players just to stomp pugs. If you do not care about fairness it is a different story but will hurt the game in the long run.
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So basically your saying Premades win more often? I think we all know that and why most Premades will be looking forward to 8v8 Premades.
I say that premade vs. pug is unfair and that it should be made sure that premades only play premades. I do know that everyone could form a group and then play premade vs. premade but you know as well as I do that this will not happen. There are to many players that just do a few games a week that simply do not want to be forced to group up.
Most people that say premade vs. pug is fine just want to keep the option to farm pugs for easy wins. It is far more challenging to have an impact on the outcome of match just by yourself then to win by default just because you are better organized and equipped then your oponent. Anyone I know that wants challenging and fun games is against pug vs. premade for a reason. The people that want pug vs. premade to stay are mostly the scrubs that know they will loose against real premades and just want to farm pugs.
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You say this:
Then you say this:
Are you saying you're 'greedy and want to farm and win as often as possible' ?
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Or do you just want to farm 3 wins, then wait for rated warfronts like every other competent premade?
Most premades want competitive games. Like you said they've farmed the valor and gear. The only thing left is the competition. They're all waiting for rated WZ's.
Some of us want to win the 3 warzones as fast as possible and this means we want to win as often as possible in as little time as possible.
If I want to do WZ after that (for fun) I go solo und pug because it is boring in a premade.
Most premades to NOT want competitive games, otherwise they would not play as a premade in this environment. Most premades that play right now just want to farm valor as fast as possible some actuality have fun in humiliaing and farming the pugs in their spawn zone. There is zero reason to do premades if you want competitive games right now.
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I'd be fine if self-healing was restricted entirely to healer specs. Right now DPS sorcs and DPS mercenaries get heals whereas marauders and snipers don't. That's imbalanced. Either give everyone a self heal or give it purely to healers.
I mean the damage between DPS is leveled out, why favor hybrid ACs over pure DPS?
Of course you also want the marauder to loose his devensive cooldowns and the abilty to vanish bacause you want balance...right?
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I have been seeing a lot of hate for premades recently and I actually do understand the problem. I have been doing premades myself since the days of DAOC and actually liked to be able to beat 40 players with our 8 man group in open field combat. In this environment premades were needed to fight the zergs because running solo simply was not an option for most classes, so you could either zerg or build a premades and I never liked the zerg mentality.
Later in WOW those premades changed. There were no longer fights against larger groups but it changed to farming lesser organized and mostly poorer equipped players. There was no skill involved and the graveyard farming became boring very quickly. At least for the players that actually liked PvP. Anyone who liked a to have a challenge stopped doing premades and did Arena to get some kind of challenge. Matchmaking was introduced with a reason because a large part of the player base just wanted to do BGs for fun without being dependent on forming a group just to do a few BGs.
Now we are here in SWTOR and have the same problem again. The argument of the pro premade group is:
You can always build a group yourself, make “friends”, this is an MMO…
What they ignore is the fact that bioware wants to keep the masses playing and the masses do not like to be forced in any kind of group.
All premade players that say those fights are in any way fair or balanced are either incredibly bad or just lying. I have been running in a premade for a while (we made BM pre Ilum) and we have yet to loose a single game of hutball against a non premade group. This is plain an simple boring for us and very frustrating for the groups we play. We still do it to get the 3 wins we need each day, but I actually feel bad for the groups we play.
Just to use a real life example: I have been playing soccer for more then 20 years now and I am playing in a regular team and we play other regular teams once each week. There is a league and those games are more or less fair.
There is also a soccer field nearby that we use to play for fun once or twice a week. Often there are quite a few players from my regular team and some hobby players and guess what we do not do:
We do not play with our regular team against those hobby players because it would be incredibly unfair. We mix the teams to get interesting and fun games as often as possible.
Premades in MMO are in most cases greedy and want to farm and win as often as possible ignoring the fact that those games are incredibly boring and frustrating for the loosing side.
Just to keep the “average” player playing, we need a matchmaking system that separates the premades from the pugs and even better: Matches the gear levels of the players so not one group has 5 BM and the other 6 fresh level 50 (at least when playing the same faction).
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Normalerweise ist es auch als Heiler ohne Probleme möglich auf die 75k dmg, 2,5 crit und 10 bzw. 25 kills zu kommen. Ich bin immer min. 23 Punkte als heal gespecced und mache im BG normal so 150+k dmg, 200+k heal. Oft ist es sinnvoller einen Gegner schnell zu töten und danach zu heilen als immer alle auf 100% zu halten und wegen respawn nichts getappt zu kriegen.
Wenn du nicht in ner Premade unterwegs bist, ist ne heal hybrid spec fast immer sinnvoller als full heal. Ich habe schon erlebt, dass Voidstar spiele verloren gingen, weil zuviel geheilt wurde und einfach keine Bomben gelegt werden konnten, weil der respawn immer vorher da war. Probiere einfach mal ne hybrid spec aus und dein medallien Problem sollte sich von alleine lösen.
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pve gear macht zuviel dmg wie gesagt wir haben es getestet und nein wir spielen kein tank heiler und double stealth klassen zerreisen dir im opner was das wollen wir einfach umgehn.
Wir wollen das ganze so fair wie möglich gestalten und zum gewinnen klar wollen wir gewinnen wie jeder andere der daran teilnehmen wird. ich hoffe die antwort reicht dir
Hmm also ist schatten + schatten schlimmer als schatten + schmuggler?
Wenn ihr Angst vor dem opener habt, werdet ihr das so nicht verhindern.
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Warum die Verbote von PvE gear und doppelten klassen? Das frozen water verbot verstehe ich ja noch, weil es schatten nen zu großen Vorteil gibt.
Für mich sieht das danach aus, dass ihr selber Hybrid-Tank + Heiler teams mit Rakata stims in vollen PvP gear habt und sicherstellen wollt, dass diese auch gewinnen. In BGs nutz auch fast jeder Merc 2 PvE Teile, warum wollt ihr hier sowas beschneiden?
Mein Tip: Merc healer mit hybrid Powertech gewinnt.
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Would love to see someone make pvp wz vidoes just using W,A,S and 2 mouse buttons
far to many easy mode toons in this game that can still perform very well from doing very little ......
Trolling and being lazy ... do it yourself.
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Fact,
Those who did not exploit valor are still not valor 60
Even myself, i will get it finally tonite, but anyone who knows me on my server knows i play a hell of a lot of PvP and they probably are like woah he don't have battlemaster yet?!?!? Yes, i did not exploit like the rest of you...
But with that said, Battlemaster or shall i say "itemization" is sad... everyone is grinding for this stupid set of gear.... This is NOT why you should be playing MMORPG's, but the fact its lazy work by the devs to just crank out suits of armor in levels, then slap a timer on it so you can't get it over night..
This is what MMORPG's used to call itemization, destroyed by the growing failure of game programming and laziness of a design team, because they only hire artists and actors now.
All items should be obtainable and at any time via random drops and pvp gear is no exception to that... then you are suppose to mix and match your armor, with millions of different types to suit your style and luck. But we dont have that.. because johnny flyboy the designer, can't design like that.. he rather design 4 suits of armor, go 1-10 11-20 21-30 31-40 then modify a few pieces and call it a different set.. or build
Fact
They know the armor is too much of a difference... They said will nerf it..
But that aint going to fix the game, its only going to piss off those like me who never got to experience the *** kicking we got, by those who exploited and have the gear..
Fact
Bioware has preached and moaned how they will rollback or ban all those who exploited via their metric log ******** analysis program. This was to date a lie, as every game goes, they wont punish and put fear into any kids mind (which is what some company needs to do, so they quit exploiting) at risk of losing a few bucks. They believe they will go out of business..
So we have 9 year olds running around cheating and destroing the integrity of the game, who yo say, dont do that too, and they said.. FU, you &$&&@ I am paying, Bioware won't do nothing!! and they are 100% right
Wrong:
There were plenty of battlemasters before the Ilum changes.
Wrong:
They saidthey will lower the gap. Nothing abour a gear nerf (everyone would just use PvE gear then)
Wrong:
They never said anything about a rollback or ban just that they will monitor the valor gains and take action as needed. I still have to see any screenshots of those players that made rang 100 in a few hours (like so many people claimed)... guess there weren´t any and no action was needed.
So all of your "facts" are false... get them straight and then come back.
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A better way to balance the class would be to change force lightening to a ranged attack (as opposed to a force attack) allowing it to be shielded, parried, dodged, and otherwise defended against. Currently the sorc is the only class without an attack classified as melee or ranged. This has numerous advantages.
Madness also needs to be changed to reduce the cooldown on force lightening to 3 seconds instead of making it instant. So much of what a sorc does well depends on crit procs from FL. Increasing the cooldown slightly is a major but fair nerf.
Do these two things and watch how much more in line they become.
Every time a player demands a "fair nerf" he should be forced to play the nerfed class with the nerf in efect and then to duel any other player who wants to: The winner gets 100$ from the looser. If the nerf was fair this should not be a problem. If not they loose so much money that they will have other problems then demanding "fair" nerfs.
...seriously CAN YOU PROFE that this is a fair nerf? If you can I want to see this proof if you can not... well I guess it is not fair after all so why do you post lies?
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Heres a quote from another post:
THANK YOU JESUS! THERE IS A GOD....
ONCE AGAIN ITS 5X HARDER TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS...
Now i can sleep gg... I hate you swtor pvp developers. Other than that rework your system to not extend your endgame that was already achievable easier earily on instead make it the same and bring out other endgame material at a higher rate... to make it fair for everyone.
Care to also quote the players that opened 40 bags in a row in the old system and 0 items or only those that were extremly lucky with the number of drops and had nearly no dublicates according to themselves?
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. Most won't though. My name is in my sig because I'm not some anonymous coward hiding behind the internet veil
To all the people who say premades are ruining pvp ...
in PvP
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Very good post. I 100% agree.