I really think that people have been civil about this for the most part so no one should take this as a personal attack. What is the point of having a DPS leader board, even if its for fun, if people are going to cheat. If something looks off then I don't see the problem with analyzing it to find out why. In this case the evidence is stacked heavily in the favor of the parse being edited, however innocence is still claimed. The way to make it stop is just to fully admit to cheating and then everyone can move on. If you are claiming that a one in a million error happened then people are gonna want to know how it happened and why so that they can identify it if it happens again. I think what's going on here is completely fair and healthy discussion that should be had until the truth is found.

U wanna fight about it m8?

The Underworld Alliance (Republic side on The Ebon Hawk Server) will be selling Dread Fortress runs for the "Wings of the Architect". The price will be 30 million credits for the mount. We will only be able to bring dps at this time who are decently geared and able to follow instructions and do basic mechanics. You don't have to be the best dps in the world but you will need to do some damage for us to make it through the instance. We will take people based on these factors on a case by case basis. Please pm me in game on Loggus or on the forums. We will only be doing this until August 19th, so if your interested get in contact with me soon.

The Underworld Alliance will be selling Dread Fortress runs for the "Wings of the Architect". The price will be 30 million credits for the mount. We will only be able to bring dps at this time who are decently geared and able to follow instructions and do basic mechanics. You don't have to be the best dps in the world but you will need to do some damage for us to make it through the instance. We will take people based on these factors on a case by case basis. Please pm me in game on Loggus or on the forums. We will only be doing this until August 19th, so if your interested get in contact with me soon.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2kqK_5gh3lQQkxCTEVEQlpGZ2s/edit UWA killed Raptus

Rin'dahl is now ManGlazed

I'll be on around 8 est this Wednesday and I'll try to slap a ranked team together to queue against anyone else that wants to do so. Also keep up the good work on this thread, it gives me something entertaining to read at work. More e-peen table slapping please.

UWA cleared Bestia. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2kqK_5gh3lQT25iX0dBSnNYVXc/edit

Thanks Nollie, love you too.

I was speaking more from an 8 man perspective since that seemed to be what everyone was talking about. In a 16 man there is a little more ability to off heal but not much. In nightmare dread guards even in 16 man the enrage was extremely tight pre nerf, so if there were off heals they were very very minimal and probably not optimal. Basically off healing is a last resort and usually hurts your raid more then helps it even on 16 man. Back to what I was talking about though, in 8 man there is no way you can have your dps off heal in any sort of consistent or useful way without hitting enrage timers. Its not a good raid utility at present and really can't be used effectively in an 8 man setting. I'm not saying other classes don't have some good utility because they do for sure, but I still think overall gunslingers/snipers provide more utility then any other class at the moment. The only other class that I would even say comes close would be sentinel/marauder. Just my opinion from my experience in on tier nightmare, if there are groups who think to the contrary and can find a way to use off heals in an effective way in on tier nightmare that is great. I just don't think it works except for very rare occurrences on very specific phases of only certain fights. Its just not effective on enough fights to be considered "good" raid utility.

I'm assuming the OP was talking about on tier nightmare content. I just want to let everyone know that if you consider off-healing a viable raid utility in on tier nightmare your insane. You may be able to throw out one weak heal every now and then if the boss fight has a transition where there is nothing to attack. If your off-healing any more then that your probably gonna hit enrage on most bosses, so considering that a viable raid utility is pretty silly. Now after you over gear the content and 3 other dps can carry the 4th a bit then it can be used, but who cares at that point. Just my opinion. Also people who are basing dps off of dummy parses instead of actual boss fight parses have no idea what they are talking about. In a real boss fight mercs and snipers are doing very close to the same damage with the exception of Nefra which is pretty much a training dummy. People have to start looking at actual boss fight situations and stop looking at dummy parses, they are misleading. Also people keep forgetting to mention this little roll that gunslingers have that gives them great mobility and can resist many things in the game and this ability called diversion that can be used for all kinds of things in raids. I'm still of the opinion that snipers have the best overall utility.

The fact that you make the assumption that they were just brought in for hateful was a dig, you can say it wasn't but we all know your condescending nature by now. You can't hide behind your innuendos like no one is smart enough to decipher what you mean. Also just because they weren't in any of the 8 man first clears you assume they never ran anything else with us???? Also doesn't Jaberse raid with another guild on a different server, does that make him an alt in your guild and invalidate everything you do? It is just a stupid argument, be happy with your guilds achievements and stop worrying about everyone else. The fact is my raids with Severity and PV are equally important to me, and I picked the two guilds specifically because their raid times will never conflict. This is also why Smugglin and Ctor joined PV as well after I told them about the way the schedules would not conflict. Mungtatta is my main on Pot5 and Rin'dahl is my main on The Ebon Hawk, not sure why you have to pick one as long as you work out the schedules correctly. If you don't want drama, don't start it plain and simple. I haven't said a word on the forums in months but I'm not going to let you make comments with no recourse sorry.

Actually this is incorrect, Evryday and C-tor have been with proper villains for about 2 months now and they have run many ops with us and we also pvp a lot. Not just here for hateful, but I like the dig you tried to throw in there that was clever. Good luck with hateful

Isn't that a Justin Timberlake song?

Tequila stop being so sneaky and shiving me in the back so much, it hurts. Thank You. Sincerely, Rin'dahl/Loggus

I'll throw together a PV team tonight with whoever we have, what time are you all planning on starting this?

And dis one

I'll have to dig up some logs but when I kite on my sniper I usually get between 2400-2600 on 8 man throughout the whole fight. Something you can learn to do when you get more comfortable is start dotting up tyrans as well as raptus when your kiting. Also I am usually able to get in a full wounding shots on one end and about a half to three quarters of a wounding shots on the other end of the kite. Once you get the rhythm down it's not bad at all. Hybrid is the only thing I have ever tried for kiting, so I'm not sure if full DF would be better but it is possible though I doubt it.

The Dread Masters Mungtatta - Gunslinger - Hybrid - 3075.8 http://www.torparse.com/a/501162/52

Dread Master Tyrans Mungtatta - Gunslinger -Hybrid - 3574.11 http://www.torparse.com/a/526904/28

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=711911 You should check out this thread. This has links to a lot of the guilds on the server both republic and empire. Good luck in your search.

I personally would like to see more Kephi (someone used this as the plural for two or more kephess' and I loved it), some form of energy ball that you must run into and explode, and many many tentacles. Only then will the new operations be complete.

Good luck guys, hope you get it!

Actually DPS Operatives can do very well in raids if played correctly. Its just they are melee and they are squishy as hell. If I were going to play a melee dps class I would go sentinel or vanguard with operative being a close third.

Wow this argument is ridiculous. The people that are arguing against you are not doing so because they think they are better or more "Hardcore", they are doing it because your argument makes no sense. So basically you want to be able to purchase every single item that exists in the game correct? If you could just buy everything in the game then what would be the point to play it???? When you are doing something in the game that requires a lot of skill or effort and is something that only a handful of people are able to do you should be rewarded with exclusive titles, pets, mounts and everything else. These rewards are what drives the people that like to raid to do so. Without these exclusive things there really would be very little reward for all the effort put in. Just because you log as many hours in game as people who raid do, it doesn't entitle you to exclusive items. You have to work for these items, that is the reason they exist. There are exclusive items available for PvP and Solo PvE as well. If you just have a grudge against "leet raiders" then just come out and say that. Your argument just makes no sense at all.